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Old May 13, 2012 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
Yeah I guess but to the back of the grid was extremely harsh, 10 places would have been much more 'agreeable' ... but 'tis done now, he did well to get 8th from 20th the boy Hamilton, very impressive.
Though the strange thing is that he seemed to spend a lot of time stuck behind Massa. It's wierd how Hamilton, who got pole half a second faster than everybody else (well sort of, anyway) couldn't get past Massa, who could only manage 16th on Saturday.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1336936695' post='21694555
Yeah I guess but to the back of the grid was extremely harsh, 10 places would have been much more 'agreeable' ... but 'tis done now, he did well to get 8th from 20th the boy Hamilton, very impressive.
Though the strange thing is that he seemed to spend a lot of time stuck behind Massa. It's wierd how Hamilton, who got pole half a second faster than everybody else (well sort of, anyway) couldn't get past Massa, who could only manage 16th on Saturday.
Hamilton was the only person who 2 stopped therefore he wasn't able to go balls out otherwise he would have completely ruined the strategy due to tyre degradation.

It also appears that his car was set up for getting pole and then driving away from the pack at the start of the race. When following Massa he was hitting the limiter under DRS in 7th. If he had started from pole he would have had little need for DRS during the race, but with the penalty that changed quite a few things.

Of course some people just don't like Hamilton. If he drives to the limit he is condemned for being too aggressive and harsh on the tyres, if he plays a tactical game and finishes 8th after starting 24th then he gets accused of not being able to pass a no hoper like Massa.

The guy literally cannot win.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 01:18 PM
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I am not a Hamilton fan, but so far i'm impressed with how he seems to be trying to change his attitude / image, and also seems to be focussing on finishing races. Fair play. Seems a lot more light hearted on camera, which may or may not be a front, but at least he's not getting stroppy.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AquilaEagle
Ouch!

They're now saying electrical fault with a fuel rig rather than KERS explosion.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1336936695' post='21694555
Yeah I guess but to the back of the grid was extremely harsh, 10 places would have been much more 'agreeable' ... but 'tis done now, he did well to get 8th from 20th the boy Hamilton, very impressive.
Though the strange thing is that he seemed to spend a lot of time stuck behind Massa. It's wierd how Hamilton, who got pole half a second faster than everybody else (well sort of, anyway) couldn't get past Massa, who could only manage 16th on Saturday.
Not at all strange - if a driver wants to make their car wide, it can be done. I'm also quite sure that with the history behind them, there was no way Hamilton was going to chance a manouvre without being largely certain it would come off.

Case in point - Didn't Alfonso spend 2 laps stuck behind a Marussia before he finally noticed the blue flag?
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Old May 14, 2012 | 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by lower
Originally Posted by AquilaEagle' timestamp='1336924676' post='21694185
Ouch!

They're now saying electrical fault with a fuel rig rather than KERS explosion.
What no-one picked up was the fact Williams use a Flywheel KERS and not a battery.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
What no-one picked up was the fact Williams use a Flywheel KERS and not a battery.


It was a fuel system electrical failure they're saying now. Which makes more sense. I guess they must remove the KERS batteries at some point, and they could have some power left in them, but you'd hope they wouldn't be doing it right next to where they store the fuel.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus' timestamp='1336999259' post='21695997
What no-one picked up was the fact Williams use a Flywheel KERS and not a battery.


It was a fuel system electrical failure they're saying now. Which makes more sense. I guess they must remove the KERS batteries at some point, and they could have some power left in them, but you'd hope they wouldn't be doing it right next to where they store the fuel.
Like I said, no batteries, flywheel
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Old May 14, 2012 | 05:43 AM
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I hadn't realised that - and in my head tried to work out how on earth a flywheel kers system would work.

I then reverted to Wiki, thinking it was a daft solution (magnetic bearings and a vacuum?!) - well bugger me if I hadn't have sussed it (well - the basic premise at least )

I'm not intrigued as to why they decided to go that way rather than batteries.

But yes, using flywheels means there's no way it was a Kers related fire.

Any insight on whether the "fuel system" relates to that of the car, the Williams equipment or the Garage itself?
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Old May 14, 2012 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
Like I said, no batteries, flywheel
My was because of the überwrongness of your post. In the early days of KERS, Williams were the team to experiment with flywheels, but never raced it. Now of course they're using Renault engines, and so are using the same Renault KERS system that seems to give Red Bull problems all the time.

Keep up.
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