I think 99% of people will agree with you but in terms of Vettel and Webber it was very differant. Mark was told to turn his engine down and hold station and thats why Vettel was able to pass him. If they had of both been running to preserve the engine, tyres for the end of the race then it would of been a fair battle.

Vettel's TV persona doesn't wash with me, he always acts the nice guy. Its all well and good saying sorry after the event buts whilst driving in the car he would of twigged what he done was wrong, he still went on to dart side to side at the finish line in front of his team mate and then even had the cheek to jump up and down on the front of the car when he pulled into the paddock. He knew what he was doing and it showed a complete lack of respect and class. Webber has helped him win those world championships and that's what he gets in return.

Hamilton gets criticised alot but i thought he conducted himself the proper way after being given 3rd place by his team mate.

 

I'm not a fan of Hamilton, but one thing I will say is that he only wants to win if he is the best. Vettel just wants to win regardless.

Now, if you imagine that someone goes down in football and the opposition kick the ball out for you to get a physio on, once play resumes, you kick the ball to the opposition goalkeeper/out for a goal kick as this is the sporting thing to do. You don't throw it to your striker who buries it in the back of the net unless you are a cnut.

 

The football analogy is fine when considering a game but F1 is supposed to be a sport, I don't want to watch Webber preserving his engine to race another day, I want to watch racing.

When Vettel started the overtake Webber should have switched to full power and raced him, but no Webber knows he isnt as good as Vettel so instead chose to let Vettel pass and then sulk like a wounded child. Its pathetic.

 

The only child out there is the petulant little tart Fettle, he has no class.

Webber was 'The Man' in that he could have easily barged him off the track but chose not to.

Pathetic is:
- choosing to attack your team-mate despite team orders AND him having his engine turned down.
- pretending that you didn't know about those orders and apologising.
- then admitting that you heard them after all and chose to ignore them apologising - AGAIN!

 

I would have had more respect for Vettel if he'd just jumped out of the car and stuck two fingers up to everyone, including Webber, and said "....that's racing, get over it".

At least then he'd have been honest about it.

I'm sure Schumacher wouldn't have apologised for using the same tactics.

 

Seems Bernie has had a little say also and seems to support Vettel saying team orders are no good for the sport.

I'd have no issue with this, but let's hypothesise, Vettel screams his engine allocation for the first 9 races and wins say 5 and then the last 9 he is screwed and has 50% engine failure, so that no points for say 4 races due to retirement, his team mate, manages his engines and picks up a couple of podiums then a few more victories and gather more points in doing so (just look at Alonso last year).

So what do the teams do, give out orders for their drivers to manage their engines to last the season or allow them to go all out every race and blow it all at the end as they start to fail. The engines have a design life at certain loads, sure they can increase this, but they will just limit the revs, build more tolerance and be slower, so the answer is the manage the engines at max load for the duration of the season and they can do this as the race unfolds throughout the season.

It all falls down when a driver in a team says "f*ck off i'll do it my way". If I was Horner, when he comes in for his first stop in China, I'd leave a spare set of tyres and an air gun in the pit lane and say "f*ck off, do it you're way".

Yes we will win more championships I am sure and maybe even eclipse Schumacher, but like Schumacher, he wont be invited many fellow drivers houses for a bite to eat.

 

In a way i'd love to see Vettel sidelined by the team for a race and 3rd driver stepping in. But in reality that wouldn't happen, and I'd hate for the end of season to come around and all the Vettel fans having a reason why he hasn't won the championship (if he doesn't..... man I hope he doesn't....)

 

Horner won't do anything significant to Vettel by way of punishment. Its like the football situation. The players are worth so much the management can't really afford to piss them off.

I sincerely hope that Webber is in a position to not help Vettel later in the season so the cnut gets his comeuppance.

The only way Vettel can redeem himself is to gift a win to Webber.

 

Indeed. Vettel feels he's bigger than the team. The problem is, he probably is bigger than the team.

 

The problem here is Webber's pride. He can't accept being a no2 driver in the top team, and that's fair enough given his 2010 performance.

The team probably looked at practice data, knew they were on for a clear one two by some margin and wanted to broker an agreement for them both strolling home to collect maximum team points with minimum engine and gearbox wear. They know they can't tell Webber to concede, hell he wouldn't even in the last race of a season so they put forward the final pit stop agreement.

Vettel then obviously not in agreement with that can't fight it, because he needs the team behind him, so he takes a risk knowing it's only fifty fifty he has to break his word.

If they had stuck with going flat out, given the tyres Vettel was on he would still have taken the place. Webber had no more won the race because he was in first than Button had at the point he led the race.

It was just a fools errand on the teams part thinking they could manage two racing drivers like that to conserve resources.