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Old May 16, 2013 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
Not sure that's a great idea as Mclaren seem to be on a downward spiral right now...
With the new regulations, all bets are off for next year. It would be a shame if McLaren have a great 2014, then go backwards due to slower unreliable Honda engines in 2015.
Old May 16, 2013 | 08:06 AM
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Does this mean I have to be a McLaren fan now? haha
Old May 16, 2013 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by lovegroova' timestamp='1368705580' post='22546045
Not sure that's a great idea as Mclaren seem to be on a downward spiral right now...
With the new regulations, all bets are off for next year. It would be a shame if McLaren have a great 2014, then go backwards due to slower unreliable Honda engines in 2015.
Why are they going to be slower and unreliable? Some of the best years of F1 were when Mclaren had HONDA engines.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl0ifFQ3jJc[/media]



and if you have never seen this, it is worth 5 minutes
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Nice little fact "During the Eighties and Nineties McLaren Honda won 44 grands prix and eight world championships."
Old May 16, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
Why are they going to be slower and unreliable? Some of the best years of F1 were when Mclaren had HONDA engines.
Past performance is no guarantee of future success ;-)

Nice little fact "During the Eighties and Nineties McLaren Honda won 44 grands prix and eight world championships."
Four world championships, unless you count winning both drivers and constructors as two.

It's certainly going to be interesting, but they've missed 5 years and are a year behind everyone else. McLaren will be the team breaking in a new engine in 2015, when everybody else will have had a year's running on theirs.
Old May 16, 2013 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Originally Posted by s2k_Nut' timestamp='1368721745' post='22546687
Why are they going to be slower and unreliable? Some of the best years of F1 were when Mclaren had HONDA engines.
Past performance is no guarantee of future success ;-)

Nice little fact "During the Eighties and Nineties McLaren Honda won 44 grands prix and eight world championships."
Four world championships, unless you count winning both drivers and constructors as two.

It's certainly going to be interesting, but they've missed 5 years and are a year behind everyone else. McLaren will be the team breaking in a new engine in 2015, when everybody else will have had a year's running on theirs.
Honda are building the engine already. By 2015 it will be as 'ready' as anyone elses.
Old May 16, 2013 | 02:13 PM
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If Renault can build F1 engines, I don't think Honda will have too many issues
Old May 16, 2013 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by s2k_Nut
Honda are building the engine already. By 2015 it will be as 'ready' as anyone elses.
Except everybody else will have done 20 races, with 6 or 8 cars per engine supplier. Come on, it's not difficult to grasp.

They should have come in with the new regulations for 2014, but they've obviously been dithering and missed the oppurtunity.
Old May 17, 2013 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dembo
Except everybody else will have done 20 races, with 6 or 8 cars per engine supplier. Come on, it's not difficult to grasp.

They should have come in with the new regulations for 2014, but they've obviously been dithering and missed the oppurtunity.
They will still get the year doing dyno testing, plus they get to sit and watch what issues the other teams face and a years worth of feed feedback from McLaren on the Mercedes engine.

I suspect Honda are treading very carefully. They don't want a repeat of the last go at f1. They want to come back reliable and competitive, worse time to take that gamble is on the first year of a new set of rules so they're waiting till the dust settles and there is a proper sense of the pecking order.

That being said, they must be aware what they missed out in with the last big rule change.
Old May 17, 2013 | 02:50 AM
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It's worth pointing out that Honda have been building V6 Turbocharged racing engines for the Indycar series for a couple of years now.

(However, they are currently second behind Chevrolet!)

http://hpd.honda.com/indycar/specifi...rbo-V-6-Engine

The ECU is made by McLaren.
Old May 17, 2013 | 03:03 AM
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Rest assured, these engines for 2015 will have had hundreds of thousands of miles of testing before going near an F1 car.



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