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Old Mar 8, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Nick always seems to be smiling when he gets out of his and he's an accountant so it must be good ( and good value)!!
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Old Mar 8, 2013 | 09:49 AM
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Indeed; it is a totally stupid car and if you don't grin, then you're tired of life.

First mod was an SRP Racing pedal, so it is now as easy to H&T as the S2000 is. And it really is that easy to drive sideways. Some people grumble too easy, but that's missing the point totally.
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 07:03 AM
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Interesting i still don't think the lump will be able to handle too much power, but its obvious people like the cars but it lacks power - I like the look of them and power hike would make them even more appealing.

Interestingly litchfield uses the same type of Dyno i use.
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 07:27 AM
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Why not?
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 08:05 AM
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Just got back from test driving one at the local dealership
Our survey says

Not really a great day for driving one being so wet but a good chance to have a look around it and give it a bit of a feel. Unfortunately was an autospastic version since they'd just sold the manual demo car. Not too much of an issue since I can hopefully collar one of the managers to have a go in theirs this week.

The chassis feels seriously nice. You could feel its stiffer and lower than the S but still supple. The engine isn't as dramatic as the S though (I suppose it was never going to be). I'm seriously considering one now.
Got some quotes from them for base/top level model. Honestly not going to cost me a massive amout more per month than the S to run and the S is only going to be getting more expensive as fuel costs go up and stuff starts to go wrong (the S is above 100,000 miles now)
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Honestly, I drove the autospastic on one of my favourite roads (VSC Sport setting) and had it on its toes more-or-less from the off. It's far more limit-approachable than the S and with left-foot braking & the quick flappy paddles, it's easy to rotate. I'd say a wet day is a good day to drive one!

It's far more everyday-useable, but the trade-off is the lack of razor-edge thrilling dynamics and that mental-revving grenade-delivery engine. And of couse when the sun is shining...
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
Why not?
Maybe fluffy can confirm, but from what I've seen with tuned 1NZ-FE's (I used to own a toyota yaris t sport) and a customer celica tsport (2ZZ-GE) they are just not built to handle big power out of the box without upgrading internals for F/I unlike some Honda's.

I guess the limit will be around ~300BHP @fly
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 08:49 AM
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Oh, I see. Bit of a post hoc blunder, since it's essentialy a Subaru bottom end. The car is mostly bits of old Impreza*. And S2000.

I know the FB-2.5s were strangely delicate >300bhp, but generally Subaru tractor units are fairly strong.

There will also be a lot of ECU tuning potential, by fine-tuning the indirect injection. Once the DI codeing is cracked, they can be safely screwed up quite a long way since they're under low-cycle ATM.

I believe the FA was designed for FI too. Probably as an FA16.




*The pedals are from a Legacy Sport.
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by s2konroids
Originally Posted by Nick Graves' timestamp='1362846449' post='22391694
Why not?
Maybe fluffy can confirm, but from what I've seen with tuned 1NZ-FE's (I used to own a toyota yaris t sport) and a customer celica tsport (2ZZ-GE) they are just not built to handle big power out of the box without upgrading internals for F/I unlike some Honda's.

I guess the limit will be around ~300BHP @fly
Depends what numbers you're going for. We make engines for lotus and at the prototype stage lotus sent back one of the 2zr engines they supercharge for the Elise.
2zr is designed for around 140bhp in valvematic guise and the bottom end is fundamentally the same in the non-valvematic that lotus then charge for 217bhp in the lotus. It passed their evaluation but we would have failed it or at least not given it a flying colours pass. Bearings were beginning to suffer at that power level.

Obviously we engineer for people doing 100,000miles reliably. Lotus will have significantly different priorities.

That said the boxer engine is a Subaru unit in way of short block at least with a lot of Toyota bolt on to make it emission compliant. Different design group so may have significantly different performance targets as an ultimate aim
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Old Mar 9, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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