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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2,Jun 6 2009, 09:52 AM
interesting that first hand exige experience, which one do you have power wise? i absolutely always move over if someone catches me up, it's clear that they're going quicker because they've caught me and you can always try to keep up once they're past.

i guess your experience is more ego issues than anything else but why on earth anything except proper exotica or trackday cars feel they can keep pace with an exige on track?
'Just' the 190. It's a fair bit lighter than the supercharged Exiges (870kg). I can pedal OK, so the lighter car is quicker in the corners and in the wet for me.

As Simon says, some of it can be put down to inexperience, but a lot of it is ego I think. Your average 'supercar' (911 upwards) purchaser doesn't like to think there's a quicker car out there, especially a 20 grand Lotus. They don't factor in the driver, which is usually the difference.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 02:44 AM
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Nearly all of it IME is down to ego Mark - we have had several experiences of this in our scruffy piece of metal. It doesn't help that blue flags seem to be disappearing from track days.

Don't you need a blue book car to do test days? And do you need a racesuit?
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 02:48 AM
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Actually, Simon may have a point;

There was this silly old bint in a Migraine (in the f ucking way - what's yours called?) crawling round the corners and then blasting up the straights (cf my adage!) and the pissed us all off. I carved her up in the end...
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 03:00 AM
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so if you expect someone to give way in the corners

I take it you give way on the straights?
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 03:15 AM
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One of the rules on trackdays is that you are not allowed to overtake in the corner. This should be made very clear in the driver briefings at the start. This probably has something to do with the organisers/track owners 3rd party liability as much as general common sense on such days. This means that faster moving cars can nly then overtake on the straight.

The other rule is to move over if a faster car is behind , which is a general motorsport ruleas you know. A lot of the problems are that i) blue flags seemed to have disappeared from trackdays, ii) some organisers do not stress enough about moving heeding for faster cars when on the straights. Because of i) and ii) a number of people will impede.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by gaddafi,Jun 6 2009, 11:00 AM
so if you expect someone to give way in the corners

I take it you give way on the straights?
i think that's fair but if a car catches you then it is lapping quicker and you should move over.. if you can then keep up and you're faster on the straights you'll get past.

ime very few cars will keep up with nobles or exiges unless the driver of either is rubbish
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Survey S2000,Jun 4 2009, 06:11 PM
How EVO rate the SLK over an S i dont know. Ive never seen one eatting beans.
We had the 280 with us in the wet in France.
I thought it was decidedly unstable in the wet, and was dead easy to follow.
In a line, not much in it but the S had the edge I fancy.
However, could just be the pilot.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 11:26 AM
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Like Moggy say, no overtaking in corners.

But one ought to be able to tell if an approaching car is faster (!) and yes, back off if he attempts to pass one on the straight. That is often necessary in the S2000, because the pronounced VTEC and mental RPM gives it a top end that belies its appearance and a lot of the flat-torque curve brigade struggle to get past; you don't want to force them into the next corner on the wrong line and too fast. If it turns out their caer isn't that fast, you can always pass them again on the next straight.

Otherwise, you can try to keep up as best you can, and you might learn a better line, or just how to drive that bit harder. One can always improve one's own skills and that's partly the reason for being there.

Anybody who is so insecure that they cannot stand being overtaken shouldn't be driving at all, road or track.

I usually signal a thankyou to those that back off for me on the straights; a tad awkward over the ton, but courtesy costs nothing and a bit of cooperation improves life for everyone.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 01:23 PM
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I wave too. But when you pull over to let people past they have to remember that they're not obliged to take the opportunity. At Rockingham I was on a cool down lap and Sarren came up behind me. He came past but was on the wrong line at the wrong speed and span off into the kitty litter.
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Old Jun 6, 2009 | 02:58 PM
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There are a few bell ends who don't like to be overtaken on every track day

Some don
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