New 1 series M coupe
09-28-2010, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mole,Sep 23 2010, 08:25 AM
40k plus options that means 50k then. But it does look good and the 1 series is in my opinion a really good looking well proportioned car.
Slice the round roof of the bathtub body & the convertible's very nearly there. But no cigar.
At 50K though? I'd want something genuinely special for that depreciation!
09-28-2010, 11:32 AM
#32
My thoughts exactly.
The AUC 16,000 mile Feb'09 E93 M3 I just deposited on (!) will scratch my V8 itch and not depreciate hugely over the next two years. For the first of which, it will stay stock. Then who knows ...?
Edit: even though I registered, that site still prick-teases.
Obviously the body is really a sight to behold
The AUC 16,000 mile Feb'09 E93 M3 I just deposited on (!) will scratch my V8 itch and not depreciate hugely over the next two years. For the first of which, it will stay stock. Then who knows ...?
Edit: even though I registered, that site still prick-teases.
Obviously the body is really a sight to behold
09-28-2010, 01:27 PM
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might i point you gentlemen to the z4 m coupe, same glorious streight 6 clothed in a bespoke suit, rarer than zircronium encrusted dodo shit
for less than 20k its a steal its a deal it sale of the f*%ckin centuury
why oh why would you pay 40k for such an ugly car
then again i might be less slightly biased
for less than 20k its a steal its a deal it sale of the f*%ckin centuury
why oh why would you pay 40k for such an ugly car
then again i might be less slightly biased
09-29-2010, 01:41 AM
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I'll wait until the new iDrivelikeacu35nt4Z barge has depreciated a bit thanks.
I do understand the appeal of the cup M 4Z oue or whatever, but I cannot stand the thing, personally.
I do understand the appeal of the cup M 4Z oue or whatever, but I cannot stand the thing, personally.
09-29-2010, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MB,Sep 28 2010, 09:36 AM
I've owned a massive array of turbo / na cars, and for a pure drivers car you can't beat NA. Turbos have their place too, but I can't recall an M car, or more than a couple of Ferarris which have been turbo'd.
Step back for me. All in the name of efficency. I think before long we will look back longingly at the 3.2 straight six from an M3, or a V8 from a Ferrari...
I don't see many tubo cars in your history
Step back for me. All in the name of efficency. I think before long we will look back longingly at the 3.2 straight six from an M3, or a V8 from a Ferrari...
I don't see many tubo cars in your history
As for Ferraris with a turbo - 288 GTO, F40, F50 or are these not land mark enough
Ok no NA M Division cars but I thought the 2002 turbo / obrut was what started it all off
Also if the M3 has evolved from an E30 4cyl to the V8 E90 why is that progress but sticking a turbo on a straight 6, lighter kerb weight, getting better MPG / CO2 and BHP not
09-29-2010, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by (S2K4ME),Sep 29 2010, 11:01 AM
Ok no NA M Division cars but I thought the 2002 turbo / obrut was what started it all off
09-29-2010, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by (S2K4ME),Sep 29 2010, 12:01 PM
As for Ferraris with a turbo - 288 GTO, F40, F50 or are these not land mark enough
Chris.
09-29-2010, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Polemicist,Sep 29 2010, 03:08 AM
The '62 Oldsmobile Cutlass Jetfire really started 'it' all off... it had the first mass produced turbo' V8; beating Ferrari to it by some time.
09-29-2010, 03:42 AM
#39
Originally Posted by (S2K4ME),Sep 29 2010, 11:01 AM
Also if the M3 has evolved from an E30 4cyl to the V8 E90 why is that progress but sticking a turbo on a straight 6, lighter kerb weight, getting better MPG / CO2 and BHP not
What is wasteful is vaving an overlapping S6T and a V8 in production.
Trouble is, it's not necessarily progress in the way dinosaur petrolheads want.
But it will be a good few years before the current fashion twaddle allows a return to simple, lightweight cars. We've been here before, remember - Nissan Cherry Turbo, anyone? Renault 21 Turbo Quadra? Pass me a bucket...
09-29-2010, 01:36 PM
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The new 1er will have a slightly tuned N54 engine, same as in the 135i/335i
It won best international engine award two years running for a good reason.
And its bulletproof.
It says something about its power plant though if they are using it in an M-car.
If you can get similar reliability with same output and better economy and lower emissions, whats not to like?
I think its too easy to get hung up on nostagia instead of excited by technology.
Its a very British thing.
And why we no longer design many cars, or anything else for that matter.
As for reliability, if you look at how turbos actually deliver power through the crank stroke, they are not so hard on the engine.
High RPMs are far harder on bearings and rods than doubling BHP by bolting on FI.
The accel/decel forces rise exponentially with RPM, unlike increasing pressures after TDC and through the power stroke...
S.
It won best international engine award two years running for a good reason.
And its bulletproof.
It says something about its power plant though if they are using it in an M-car.
If you can get similar reliability with same output and better economy and lower emissions, whats not to like?
I think its too easy to get hung up on nostagia instead of excited by technology.
Its a very British thing.
And why we no longer design many cars, or anything else for that matter.
As for reliability, if you look at how turbos actually deliver power through the crank stroke, they are not so hard on the engine.
High RPMs are far harder on bearings and rods than doubling BHP by bolting on FI.
The accel/decel forces rise exponentially with RPM, unlike increasing pressures after TDC and through the power stroke...
S.