But that's exactly what makes cars like the NSX-R so very good & most hypercars so utterly crap.

Actually, the F1 is the only other car of its type that I really admire.

 

we've sort of had the 'definition of a supercar' recently

it's clear there's no consensus

same as defining a 'classic car'

I kind of go with outrageously styled, jaw-droppingly expensive and very fast, in its time

this rules out the NSX and junior Ferraris

and groups stuff like Enzos, Zonda, Maccas, etc, together

but it still remains an inexact science

which is why the term 'hypercar' was coined I suppose

 

That's bloody emancipation for you; there's an awful lot of stuff now with 'supercar levels of performance' as the press hackneys to death.

In the 308's/NSX's day, there was comparatively little.

Hence hypercars have come along.

What next, three-tonne ultracars with 2,000bhp?

 

nice little list, interesting seeing whats what, surprised my M3 is so much faster than a regular NSX, not surprised how much faster than an S2000 it is though

 

"These lap time were measured under different levels of scrutiny under various conditions, track lengths, drivers and preparation time."

you don't say

so Wikipedia, it even has a mistake in the disclaimer

I will be astonished if the new Nissan delivers the claimed performance when a few customer cars are tested

the published ptw does not stack up

and I hear there are less than reassuring rumours circulating about tyres and pads used on tests like the Ring run

it'll be a quick car, no doubt

but I suspect, not as quick as we're being told - unless it has more power than we're being told

 

Car magazine did an interesting comparison probably 10 years ago now of an M3 and and NSX when both cars had similar straight line performance figures. The consensus was the the NSX was much nicer to drive. I'll see if I can dig it out.

It's no surprise that a modern M3 is faster than an NSX, as it has a lot more power for a start.

 

i thought the M3 was not that good on a track.. wasn't it on a par with a 350z round top gears track? An S hasn't been round in the dry

the NSX-R is a supercar because it was fooking expensive

i don't think you'll find a car from it's era which will compete with the supercars of today and rightly so, we'd hope for progress wouldn't we?

 

We do, and that's why we're so often disappointed.

 

Yeah, that the def of a supercar, its not just about speed.

Super cars should be flamboyant and overpriced, not Japanese and plastic.

I thought you

 

No, I think before typing.