Potential S2000 Replacements
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I think Jason does refer to the tech on tap from our 2 litre forged engine - that can almost keep pace with a 3.2. The fact it's super reliable, reinforced and can be moulded/tuned to suit. It's a one off yes. It's an all time great that finally got noticed
987's by far have a nicer interior (as long as the interior switchgear buttons haven't worn,which they commonly do) , look classy and are ageing well (debatable as just said)
..986 not so much, they are as bloaty & ugly, and odd as 944s. However, it's the Germans service costs and parts replacement which are unnecessarily expensive. All in defence of the badge of course Porsche would say - buy any Porsche, expect dickhead costs. It's daft. Cheap Porsche should be cheap service, including suspension, brakes etc which are obviously made of platinum! But it isn't cheap. Far from it.
You will know- but probably alot more goes wrong (and gets very expensive) with porkers , than Japanese cars, which are more simple. Theres more tech. More tech, when it's early out of R&D means more problems. Ignoring the bore score and IMS , because the majority was resolved. Sorry, actually the bore score did continue for many other models including 911s. Poor production without doubt on Porsches part will scaremonger on the web. 2004-2009 were Porsches worst years for these issues, but still a relatively small amount were/are affected. Still.. it's definitely a few hundred cars. They bolloxed up the engine for half a decade on a number of models. I've also spent alot of time finding out about it.
Having said all this , I wouldn't discount a 987 or 718. Or even an excellent earlier 911. It can still be ragged to be enjoyed if you are trying to slip out of it's comfier personality. I just know that being in company of others that have hammered their Porsche on track, things go wrong, sensors scream "ouch".. whereas Honda, hour after hour, like my S, and friends Type R, just keep going relentlessly. I think it's down to that forging process in Suzuka.
I'm on the fence. I drive my S as a daily and give no shits about the Porsche interior. But I appreciate Boxsters on the road, and tip my hat in respect. Except 986 and that horrid 944/924.
Chris I still think you should get into a Tamora and give us a review.
987's by far have a nicer interior (as long as the interior switchgear buttons haven't worn,which they commonly do) , look classy and are ageing well (debatable as just said)
..986 not so much, they are as bloaty & ugly, and odd as 944s. However, it's the Germans service costs and parts replacement which are unnecessarily expensive. All in defence of the badge of course Porsche would say - buy any Porsche, expect dickhead costs. It's daft. Cheap Porsche should be cheap service, including suspension, brakes etc which are obviously made of platinum! But it isn't cheap. Far from it.
You will know- but probably alot more goes wrong (and gets very expensive) with porkers , than Japanese cars, which are more simple. Theres more tech. More tech, when it's early out of R&D means more problems. Ignoring the bore score and IMS , because the majority was resolved. Sorry, actually the bore score did continue for many other models including 911s. Poor production without doubt on Porsches part will scaremonger on the web. 2004-2009 were Porsches worst years for these issues, but still a relatively small amount were/are affected. Still.. it's definitely a few hundred cars. They bolloxed up the engine for half a decade on a number of models. I've also spent alot of time finding out about it.
Having said all this , I wouldn't discount a 987 or 718. Or even an excellent earlier 911. It can still be ragged to be enjoyed if you are trying to slip out of it's comfier personality. I just know that being in company of others that have hammered their Porsche on track, things go wrong, sensors scream "ouch".. whereas Honda, hour after hour, like my S, and friends Type R, just keep going relentlessly. I think it's down to that forging process in Suzuka.
I'm on the fence. I drive my S as a daily and give no shits about the Porsche interior. But I appreciate Boxsters on the road, and tip my hat in respect. Except 986 and that horrid 944/924.
Chris I still think you should get into a Tamora and give us a review.
Undoubtedly, the 987.1 had a plethora of problems that would scare away most buyers. As I said though, the 987.2 is absolutely the car to buy of the 987 range. Like the interior buttons wearing - that doesn't happen on the 987.2. It's a 987 without any of those niggling (buttons) or scary (IMS/bore scoring) issues.
I've owned my 987 for 6 years and done plenty of track days with no issues; my FK8 (my original S2000 replacement) used to heatsoak like shit if it was midly warm. The 987 has been far more reliable in 6 years than the S2000 I bought a mere ~3 months ago. There are good/poor reliability examples in both directions. I've never had an ECU fail on a car ever! This S2000 has been challenging - my last one was trouble-free. The costs associated with the Porsche badge are excessive though; I wholesomely agree. You have to get the lube out come every service, and of course you can't service it yourself because that makes resell very hard.
I had my original S2000 as a daily and my 987 as a weekend/fun car back in the day. The 987 was always a much nicer place to be; however, there's a lot to be said about beating an engine to 9k repeatedly over and over.
I wouldn't recommend a 718 unless you're going for the N/A GTS 4.0. The turbocharged engines just... suck. The 2.0 and 2.5 718s are a fantastic drive/ride/feel let down by such a soulless engine (first hand experience). The GTS 4.0 also puts you in 981 GT4 terrirtory price-wise.
Decisions, decisions!
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It was a shame that Porsche opted for that 2 litre blower. It's regretful that probably the whole range will go electric, unless synthetic fuel gets traction and this govt wake up to it. No doubt still have daft service/inspection costs and a gold battery.
I'd still service any car myself and to hell with resale. You know it's done properly then.
I'd still service any car myself and to hell with resale. You know it's done properly then.
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They like to try and stop you but yeah I agree.
BMW were expensive and shyte on that M car I had. One service they didn't put enough oil in and then moaned about having to give me a 1L top up. It was an £800 service. They also broke the covers on the cabin filters (which they charge a fortune for when pattern parts are like £15 and 2 minutes to fit)
but I don't use honda either except for the free stuff on the e while on it's plan
BMW were expensive and shyte on that M car I had. One service they didn't put enough oil in and then moaned about having to give me a 1L top up. It was an £800 service. They also broke the covers on the cabin filters (which they charge a fortune for when pattern parts are like £15 and 2 minutes to fit)
but I don't use honda either except for the free stuff on the e while on it's plan
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There is a bit of I saw you coming in service and parts costs for "premium" cars. It's a bit like if you're dumb enough to spend your hard earned cash on a brand without it being a better product you should be fleeced on aftercare as well. Back in 1987 I had my V12 Jaguar serviced and that cost £ 1,500 then, that is £ 5,400 in today's money. I have stuck to more sensible cars after that.
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From: Bristol
Well, two mates and I took a long day drive down to our usual March weekender of karting, curry and beer in Newquay. Cracking trip down despite some damp weather (roof up only for a few sections though!). An S2000, an F Type convertible and a new Ariel Atom 4 (with a very waterproof jacket & trousers!).
Superb route through the Mendips, Quantocks, Porlock, Exmoor etc, although some really mucky roads after the recent downpours. I was leading the trio and checked to see if the pace was OK, worried I was holding the Atom up. "No, don't go any faster! You must have some confidence in that car".
Clearly well down on power, but still decent on those sorts of roads, especially in the wet (the handling mods don't harm either!).
In short, it'll have to be a damn fine car to make me leap into something new/different.
Many of the discussions over the weekend were 'what shall Chris get next?', and one person suggested a new engine, given that the rest of the car has been refurbed and is virtually new. With the price of F20Cs going the way they are, one person even suggested going halves on one and storing it for 10 years, just to make a profit! Probably not a bad shout!
To be honest, if there was a solution to the numb steering, I'd be tempted to get a built/blueprinted engine and switch the steering out, then keep it forever...
I will continue my search though. I'm hoping to get a ride in an Evora this weekend. Some kind owners club members have offered.
To be continued...!
Superb route through the Mendips, Quantocks, Porlock, Exmoor etc, although some really mucky roads after the recent downpours. I was leading the trio and checked to see if the pace was OK, worried I was holding the Atom up. "No, don't go any faster! You must have some confidence in that car".
Clearly well down on power, but still decent on those sorts of roads, especially in the wet (the handling mods don't harm either!).
In short, it'll have to be a damn fine car to make me leap into something new/different.
Many of the discussions over the weekend were 'what shall Chris get next?', and one person suggested a new engine, given that the rest of the car has been refurbed and is virtually new. With the price of F20Cs going the way they are, one person even suggested going halves on one and storing it for 10 years, just to make a profit! Probably not a bad shout!
To be honest, if there was a solution to the numb steering, I'd be tempted to get a built/blueprinted engine and switch the steering out, then keep it forever...
I will continue my search though. I'm hoping to get a ride in an Evora this weekend. Some kind owners club members have offered.
To be continued...!
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From: Nottingham
You can get a new block for £5k can't ya? Bargain compared to some of the used slag prices
I still love chucking the std one about and you are right, you can ring it's neck and not be doing 180mph.. my bike is similar, 700 parallel twin, fun but not fast
I don't think an Atom is that
I still love chucking the std one about and you are right, you can ring it's neck and not be doing 180mph.. my bike is similar, 700 parallel twin, fun but not fast
I don't think an Atom is that
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Block is £6k at Tegiwa at the moment. Tempted to buy one, and build something interesting with my current block (stroker?), if I can find decent info, I'd like to build something myself. I've done everything else on the car myself!
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I've considered buying one as a spare too haha
Think you are as mental as I am.
I'm sticking with the SC S2000 I think, I enjoy window shopping but nothing has really dragged me. How I ended up with another S2 I suppose
Think you are as mental as I am.
I'm sticking with the SC S2000 I think, I enjoy window shopping but nothing has really dragged me. How I ended up with another S2 I suppose
