Record road speeder jailed
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Originally Posted by Shiskine,Sep 24 2007, 05:14 PM
The point is that in the presence of a car doing 170+mph, it's other peoples reactions that are likely to be suspect. As the speeding driver should be aware of this, he becomes a knob for driving at speed on a road with junctions, other vehicles or pedestrians ...
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Originally Posted by BleachS2k,Sep 24 2007, 02:55 PM
Has it also caught anyones attention too that the Speed kills adverts, the one where the car brakes at 30 and the child has a certain percentage chance of living and if they drove 5 mph faster, the child dies... the cars in those campaigns are always always old bangers, no ABS, probably on drum brakes and er driven by someone with the reaction time of a tortoise...now, if they did those campaigns with a porsche on ceramic brakes, the child probably would just recieve a bump, cos the uprated brakes would have done their job and stopped the car before it would even touched the child.
But then they'd do the advert where the child purposely runs into the car... which in reality we all know that kids these days after school can just run out from nowhere. Honestly speaking is it easily for parents to actually keep control of their kids, or it is easier for a driver to predict the movements of children whilst driving on Britains (fixed/mobile)camera infested roads?
Blabbed on a bit too much there and probably off topic...
But then they'd do the advert where the child purposely runs into the car... which in reality we all know that kids these days after school can just run out from nowhere. Honestly speaking is it easily for parents to actually keep control of their kids, or it is easier for a driver to predict the movements of children whilst driving on Britains (fixed/mobile)camera infested roads?
Blabbed on a bit too much there and probably off topic...
My point, kids really can be anywhere and give you little chance of breaking.
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Originally Posted by BleachS2k,Sep 24 2007, 02:55 PM
Has it also caught anyones attention too that the Speed kills adverts, the one where the car brakes at 30 and the child has a certain percentage chance of living and if they drove 5 mph faster, the child dies...
Although there are only about 170 children killed on the roads each year So to place an accurate figure does tend to suggest poetic licence.
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Sep 24 2007, 05:51 PM
So what speed do people feel is "acceptable" not to warrant a jail term?
Lets say on road similar to thet which the guy was on.
Lets say on road similar to thet which the guy was on.
I say any speed is acceptable as long as the driver can stop should a hazard present itself (e.g. a car pulling out of a junction, unaware driver etc.).
Fast isn't dangerous, TOO fast is.
*hypothetically speaking* A 170mph Porsche could well stop faster than a 70mph 50 year old car iwht crappy drum brakes. One is acceptable, the other not yet the slower car would crash and the 170mph wouldn't.
I would say, however, that there probably VERY FEW locations where 170mph would be safe. You'd need a rather long clear stretch of motorway road where there are no junctions, pedestrians, other vehicles etc.
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But we are not in a country where any speed is acceptable, like it or not.
What you are alluding to (I think) is inapropriate speed.
For a simple black and white fine and 3 points on that road would be 71mph (ignoring the ACPO guidelines).
For a jail sentence and a jury then it is in a majority decision what is an inappropriate speed to be given a jail sentence.
Can the laywers reply as to how this case got in front of a jury in the first place, and secondly, given it is in front of a jury what is the exact charge?
To put it a different way, why for example would travelling at 110mph on a m/way be treated differently to doing what this guy did?
Would the prosecution use an expert witness to answer a direct question as to "is 172 mph, on that stretch of road, given the conditions and time of day an inappropriate speed".
Or would the prosecution not even have to argue this?
Genuinely interested.
What you are alluding to (I think) is inapropriate speed.
For a simple black and white fine and 3 points on that road would be 71mph (ignoring the ACPO guidelines).
For a jail sentence and a jury then it is in a majority decision what is an inappropriate speed to be given a jail sentence.
Can the laywers reply as to how this case got in front of a jury in the first place, and secondly, given it is in front of a jury what is the exact charge?
To put it a different way, why for example would travelling at 110mph on a m/way be treated differently to doing what this guy did?
Would the prosecution use an expert witness to answer a direct question as to "is 172 mph, on that stretch of road, given the conditions and time of day an inappropriate speed".
Or would the prosecution not even have to argue this?
Genuinely interested.
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So HTF is this "aggravated TWOC?"
(Bugger the stale argument over arbitrary limits; since F=MV^2/2 any motion given to mass may be regarded as squarely lethal by the hysterical) and the car weighs only 1,700kg?
What was the CPS thinking of (again!)?
Aggravated suggests that was where the real danger came from, not some imagined danger from a situation that did not occur in this universe.
(Bugger the stale argument over arbitrary limits; since F=MV^2/2 any motion given to mass may be regarded as squarely lethal by the hysterical) and the car weighs only 1,700kg?
What was the CPS thinking of (again!)?
Aggravated suggests that was where the real danger came from, not some imagined danger from a situation that did not occur in this universe.
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Is a jail term warranted in this case ?
I'm not sure... even if I had all the facts I'm still not sure I'd be sure.
I am sure of one thing though.
As has been mentioned before. A jail term for this crime is certainly NOT warranted when you look at the kind of "community service" sentences that have been handed out for recent crimes that have ended in personal losses or injury.
The system is failing.
I'm not sure... even if I had all the facts I'm still not sure I'd be sure.
I am sure of one thing though.
As has been mentioned before. A jail term for this crime is certainly NOT warranted when you look at the kind of "community service" sentences that have been handed out for recent crimes that have ended in personal losses or injury.
The system is failing.
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Perfect example.
Just been watching a "road wars" or something on TV, and the two "youngsters" who were evading a police car by putting dozens of lives at risk with all sorts of scary head on driving etc. got a curfew ad tagged.
Just been watching a "road wars" or something on TV, and the two "youngsters" who were evading a police car by putting dozens of lives at risk with all sorts of scary head on driving etc. got a curfew ad tagged.