Record road speeder jailed
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Originally Posted by Fletch,Sep 24 2007, 10:11 PM
Perfect example.
Just been watching a "road wars" or something on TV, and the two "youngsters" who were evading a police car by putting dozens of lives at risk with all sorts of scary head on driving etc. got a curfew ad tagged.
Just been watching a "road wars" or something on TV, and the two "youngsters" who were evading a police car by putting dozens of lives at risk with all sorts of scary head on driving etc. got a curfew ad tagged.
Do the CPS have carte blanche on what goes before a criminal court?
So, in my example would someone doing say 110mph on a m/way be put in front of the CPS?
If so, who are the CPS? Are they made up of Lawyers/professinals?
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Info I know.
The CPS does contain lawyers.
The CPS must be satisfied there is a good chance of a prosecution in court and they use a specific statute to decide if that is the case, it offers guidlines to follow.
The judge will follow statutory guidlines on how to sentence once the verdict has been reached. He has discretion but the guidlines are to be followed.
The CPS does contain lawyers.
The CPS must be satisfied there is a good chance of a prosecution in court and they use a specific statute to decide if that is the case, it offers guidlines to follow.
The judge will follow statutory guidlines on how to sentence once the verdict has been reached. He has discretion but the guidlines are to be followed.
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Originally Posted by cheshire_carper,Sep 25 2007, 07:36 AM
Info I know.
The CPS does contain lawyers.
The CPS must be satisfied there is a good chance of a prosecution in court and they use a specific statute to decide if that is the case, it offers guidlines to follow.
The judge will follow statutory guidlines on how to sentence once the verdict has been reached. He has discretion but the guidlines are to be followed.
The CPS does contain lawyers.
The CPS must be satisfied there is a good chance of a prosecution in court and they use a specific statute to decide if that is the case, it offers guidlines to follow.
The judge will follow statutory guidlines on how to sentence once the verdict has been reached. He has discretion but the guidlines are to be followed.
Who are the non lawyers, and are the positions at the CPS temporary using working professionals on secondment, por are thye permanent?
What are the guidelines? Is it like a decision tree?
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I don't what to give any ill informed info here so I will answer within my limits (I should be reading a dreary book on contract law!)
The guidelines could be statute based, ie an Act that had been passed through parliament thus law and then followed by the CPS. Infact I am pretty sure that is what they follow.
I believe the lawyers will be salaried, ie permies but I imagine they could contract like any org. They will use barristers in court to prosecute, they will probably follow the same agreements as a normal barrister.
Is the CPS a quango? Hmmm, I guess that may be on perception. Dunno is the real answer there.
The guidelines could be statute based, ie an Act that had been passed through parliament thus law and then followed by the CPS. Infact I am pretty sure that is what they follow.
I believe the lawyers will be salaried, ie permies but I imagine they could contract like any org. They will use barristers in court to prosecute, they will probably follow the same agreements as a normal barrister.
Is the CPS a quango? Hmmm, I guess that may be on perception. Dunno is the real answer there.
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172mph on a public road is stupid, regardless of the talent of the driver (questionable in this case) and capability of the car. Having said that the highway code stopping distances are largely irrelevant given current technology. The "half a mile to stop" line is given elsewhere as 500m. Even if that's accurate it's a lot less than half a mile.
Should 172 get a stiffer sentence than 155? Arguably that's like saying murder with a gun is worse than murder with a knife. You still end up dead. And someone is still a murderer.
I'm totally agains the blanket "speed kills" message, inappropriate use of speed, yes. But again, that is no defence in this case.
Hypocritical to send the guy to jail when habitual TWOCers get non-custodial sentences though. But this was an easy case to prove.
Not seen the taking of the car as "aggravated" but I don't see how it can be. Unless he beat up his boss.
Should 172 get a stiffer sentence than 155? Arguably that's like saying murder with a gun is worse than murder with a knife. You still end up dead. And someone is still a murderer.
I'm totally agains the blanket "speed kills" message, inappropriate use of speed, yes. But again, that is no defence in this case.
Hypocritical to send the guy to jail when habitual TWOCers get non-custodial sentences though. But this was an easy case to prove.
Not seen the taking of the car as "aggravated" but I don't see how it can be. Unless he beat up his boss.
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Different speeding news item:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgo...est/7012378.stm
While most of the article, I'm thinking
excuse, I found the following rather funny:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgo...est/7012378.stm
While most of the article, I'm thinking
excuse, I found the following rather funny:
Sheriff William Gallacher stopped short of imposing a ban for driving in excess of 100 mph.
Passing sentence he told Dodds: "The ability for you to control your car at that absolutely excessive speed (109 mph) was almost non-existent."
Passing sentence he told Dodds: "The ability for you to control your car at that absolutely excessive speed (109 mph) was almost non-existent."
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"almost non-existent."
or by reversal, very existent.
What a Colemanballs; What balls.
BTW, I heard someone was driving a train full of passengers at 186 mph all the way to France, without stopping.
They must've all been very nearly killed dead, by hysterical logic.
The reckless driver should be gang-raped to death. Very to death.
After all, it was decided that Stephenson's Rocket would travel faster then the human body could withstand. And that was when nostaliga was in the good old days, so it must have been right.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Sep 25 2007, 05:11 PM
BTW, I heard someone was driving a train full of passengers at 186 mph all the way to France, without stopping.
They must've all been very nearly killed dead, by hysterical logic.
The reckless driver should be gang-raped to death. Very to death.
They must've all been very nearly killed dead, by hysterical logic.
The reckless driver should be gang-raped to death. Very to death.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Sep 25 2007, 05:11 PM
BTW, I heard someone was driving a train full of passengers at 186 mph *
(*Please add your own non sequitur)
(*Please add your own non sequitur)
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Sep 25 2007, 06:11 PM
"almost non-existent."
or by reversal, very existent.
What a Colemanballs; What balls.
BTW, I heard someone was driving a train full of passengers at 186 mph all the way to France, without stopping.
They must've all been very nearly killed dead, by hysterical logic.
The reckless driver should be gang-raped to death. Very to death.
After all, it was decided that Stephenson's Rocket would travel faster then the human body could withstand. And that was when nostaliga was in the good old days, so it must have been right.