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Originally Posted by Hypersonik,Jul 2 2008, 09:43 AM
Well, how come the americans pay less than half of what we do?
Therefore, AT LEAST, 50% of what we pay is tax.
And I wouldn't trust any figure the government posted!
Therefore, AT LEAST, 50% of what we pay is tax.
And I wouldn't trust any figure the government posted!
They pay around 410cents per gallon(US) or 54p per litre. With a spread of 388-459cents per gallon or 52p - 61p per litre.
We pay 116p per litre of which 50p is duty and 17p VAT
Take that off and we get 49p per litre. If you account for sales taxes and the petrol stations profit, then the actual petrol cost is probably around the same.
Note that back in Oct 07 the US was paying around 279cents per gallon. So the cost of petrol has gone up 47% where as here, in the same time frame it has only risen 20%
Go figure
America is a very different market to the UK, if we were to look at Europe we woudl see that the following countries all have higher petrol costs than the UK
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
Germany
Netherlands
Italy
Norway
Portugal
Originally Posted by russellhq,Jul 2 2008, 11:06 AM
if we were to look at Europe we woudl see that the following countries all have higher petrol costs than the UK
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
Germany
Netherlands
Italy
Norway
Portugal
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
Germany
Netherlands
Italy
Norway
Portugal
The recent fall in the pound has made the comparative cost of fuel in europe rise significantly.
What is wrong is the markets trade on theoretical future Oil output and supply / demand issues, creating a totaly artifical price for the cost of a barrel of oil.
Current production has been increased recently and there is a current world wide surplus (small surplus) compared to demand so any price increase is based on the markets getting scared that instability in the middle east could result in a future short fall of oil and problems. This then drives the price of oil because of the trading market.
It has not suddenly become 40% more expensive to extract the same oil in the last year.
Yes there is considerable investment costs required to obtain new sources, but the current extract costs are not going up an creating this price increase.
Financial Speculation is the current reason for the recent large price increases.
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Financial speculation
Please help improve this article or section by expanding it.
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In May 2008, Uwe Beckmeyer, transport chief for Germany's Social Democrats, said a recent 25 percent rise in the price of oil to $135 a barrel had nothing to do with underlying supply and demand;
Current production has been increased recently and there is a current world wide surplus (small surplus) compared to demand so any price increase is based on the markets getting scared that instability in the middle east could result in a future short fall of oil and problems. This then drives the price of oil because of the trading market.
It has not suddenly become 40% more expensive to extract the same oil in the last year.
Yes there is considerable investment costs required to obtain new sources, but the current extract costs are not going up an creating this price increase.
Financial Speculation is the current reason for the recent large price increases.
Extract from Wikipedia -
[QUOTE]
Financial speculation
Please help improve this article or section by expanding it.
Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (June 2008)
In May 2008, Uwe Beckmeyer, transport chief for Germany's Social Democrats, said a recent 25 percent rise in the price of oil to $135 a barrel had nothing to do with underlying supply and demand;
Originally Posted by Chris Type R,Jul 2 2008, 07:55 AM
Jo I think that people are faulting the 20p in your post - 1.16 * .175 = 20.3p which is not correct - the VAT = 1.16 - (1.16/1.1750) = 17.2p.
Still quite offended at the dig though - we don't all need to be mathematics geniuses to survive.
Originally Posted by dreamer,Jul 2 2008, 03:24 PM
Ah entirely possible - I understand patterns and theory but the specifics of the numbers somehow get scrambled between my head and the calculator and end up wrong. That's normal !
Still quite offended at the dig though - we don't all need to be mathematics geniuses to survive.
Still quite offended at the dig though - we don't all need to be mathematics geniuses to survive.
Originally Posted by dreamer,Jul 2 2008, 02:24 PM
Ah entirely possible - I understand patterns and theory but the specifics of the numbers somehow get scrambled between my head and the calculator and end up wrong. That's normal !
Still quite offended at the dig though - we don't all need to be mathematics geniuses to survive.
Still quite offended at the dig though - we don't all need to be mathematics geniuses to survive.
This is high school maths stuff that most GCSE kids would get. But to be fair, they are around it all the time. In your adult life, you've obviously not had much use (or just not applied)for math and have forgotten most of what you were taught. It happens.
But I will say this, in a financially run world it can be very important to get your math right, get it worng and you could end up paying big time.
Originally Posted by Chris Type R,Jul 2 2008, 02:33 PM
Never mind poppet.



Put the kettle on while you're there love.
And Russell, I thought I was a patronizing old git, now I know I'm an amateur........
Originally Posted by russellhq,Jul 2 2008, 03:53 PM
Why be offended?
This is high school maths stuff that most GCSE kids would get. But to be fair, they are around it all the time. In your adult life, you've obviously not had much use (or just not applied)for math and have forgotten most of what you were taught. It happens.
But I will say this, in a financially run world it can be very important to get your math right, get it worng and you could end up paying big time.
This is high school maths stuff that most GCSE kids would get. But to be fair, they are around it all the time. In your adult life, you've obviously not had much use (or just not applied)for math and have forgotten most of what you were taught. It happens.
But I will say this, in a financially run world it can be very important to get your math right, get it worng and you could end up paying big time.
Originally Posted by mikdys,Jul 2 2008, 06:15 PM
"People need to wake up and stop blaming the government for rising fuel costs!"
That looks and smells like an opinion to me (I choose the olfactory reference deliberately because you no doubt know what the old saying is about opinions
).
There is another saying: "the straw that broke the camel's back" and this government's intransigence over the fuel tax issue is that straw.
Whilst the cost of fuel at the pumps remained more affordable (affordable albeit still expensive) people begrudingly continued to pay. The problem now is that some people, and businesses, can no longer afford to pay. It matters not how the cost is broken down into the basic cost of the commodity and the (too high for too long already) tax elements. What matters is the total cost paid and that is now too high. When the total cost remained lower the government could get away with their excessively high level of taxation, but this is now no longer tenable.
That looks and smells like an opinion to me (I choose the olfactory reference deliberately because you no doubt know what the old saying is about opinions
).There is another saying: "the straw that broke the camel's back" and this government's intransigence over the fuel tax issue is that straw.
Whilst the cost of fuel at the pumps remained more affordable (affordable albeit still expensive) people begrudingly continued to pay. The problem now is that some people, and businesses, can no longer afford to pay. It matters not how the cost is broken down into the basic cost of the commodity and the (too high for too long already) tax elements. What matters is the total cost paid and that is now too high. When the total cost remained lower the government could get away with their excessively high level of taxation, but this is now no longer tenable.
If you want to talk about cutting fuel duties then we better start looking at what that will cost.
Firstly, the economic impact of a cut in duty.
Last year the government took in






