Total ban on drinking and driving.
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Originally Posted by soulcrew,Oct 9 2008, 10:02 AM
why not have a total ban.
takes away all the guesswork.
takes away all the guesswork.
Might as well start saying that you can't drive 48 hours after sitting next to someone who was drinking alcohol.
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The countries that have a zero tolerance law with regard to alcohol also have a sliding scale of punishment, with a total ban only being likely for very major infringements.
If we implemented a zero tolerance approach, the single-issue safety nazis would not allow anything short of a total ban for any infringement.
We have a system whereby we all know the 'safe' limit, and most of us know our own personal limit should that be below the government proscribed one (for instance, Kate wouldn't be capable to drive after a glass of wine, so never drinks if she's driving - I, like Rich above will have a pint, maybe 2 over the course of an evening).
As a Conservative MP said last week, the ones we really want to get off the roads are the ones who think that driving after 5 pints or more is acceptable, the 'hardcore', who wouldn't be affected whether the limit was as it is now, or zero tolerance.
If we implemented a zero tolerance approach, the single-issue safety nazis would not allow anything short of a total ban for any infringement.
We have a system whereby we all know the 'safe' limit, and most of us know our own personal limit should that be below the government proscribed one (for instance, Kate wouldn't be capable to drive after a glass of wine, so never drinks if she's driving - I, like Rich above will have a pint, maybe 2 over the course of an evening).
As a Conservative MP said last week, the ones we really want to get off the roads are the ones who think that driving after 5 pints or more is acceptable, the 'hardcore', who wouldn't be affected whether the limit was as it is now, or zero tolerance.
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Originally Posted by lower,Oct 9 2008, 09:13 AM
the guesswork of when you're totally clear from the night before?
thats the bit that gets me.
sometimes i can drink loads and feel fine the next day but sometimes i can still feel the beer in me.
but to be honest i get the mrs to drive after i have had a heavy night or get a lift of a mate.
australia has a total ban i think.
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This event was tragic.
However surely a total ban would be unrealistic because it is impossible for your everyday person to tell when the alcohol is out of your system.
I'm not talking about the same day, but the day after.
I'm sure we've all been there when we've had a skinful the night before, but then have driven their cars the next day. I'm sure that the alcohol would still be in your blood stream.
Surely if stopped the next morning, which the revenue happy police would be more than happy to do, you would be over the limit and in deep crap!
I personally have 1 pint if i am driving, if i feel like it but can take it or leave it.
Just my humble 2p!
However surely a total ban would be unrealistic because it is impossible for your everyday person to tell when the alcohol is out of your system.
I'm not talking about the same day, but the day after.
I'm sure we've all been there when we've had a skinful the night before, but then have driven their cars the next day. I'm sure that the alcohol would still be in your blood stream.
Surely if stopped the next morning, which the revenue happy police would be more than happy to do, you would be over the limit and in deep crap!
I personally have 1 pint if i am driving, if i feel like it but can take it or leave it.
Just my humble 2p!
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Interesting debate. Pretty much impossible to have a zero allowance as I'm led to believe that the body naturally has some residual alcohol that's near on impossible to eradicate.
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When:
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When:
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Think there was some testing done a while back that even a small amount of alcohol can have an impact on your reactions/judgement. In such a safety critical environment there's no scope for any reduction in performance. If you're interested the full doc is here http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/AN45.pdf
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A zero tolerance approach to drink driving would not have stopped this tragic incident.
The guy already demonstrated his lack of respect for the law by drinking twice the legal limit so what's to say he would have complied with a no drink drive law ? Nothing.
I have every sympathy for the parents, but they are in no position to give any rational recommendation.
The guy already demonstrated his lack of respect for the law by drinking twice the legal limit so what's to say he would have complied with a no drink drive law ? Nothing.
I have every sympathy for the parents, but they are in no position to give any rational recommendation.
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[QUOTE=EssTwoWahey,Oct 9 2008, 10:55 AM] Interesting debate. Pretty much impossible to have a zero allowance as I'm led to believe that the body naturally has some residual alcohol that's near on impossible to eradicate.
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When:
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When:
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[QUOTE=EssTwoWahey,Oct 9 2008, 09:55 AM] Interesting debate. Pretty much impossible to have a zero allowance as I'm led to believe that the body naturally has some residual alcohol that's near on impossible to eradicate.
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When:
The uk aviation world has strict limits, equal to a quarter of the uk drink drive laws. As an air traffic controller I don't touch a drop the day before a shift, but once I've finished my work cycle pop goes the cork!
Here's an extract
6.3 Detailed limits are:
a) When: