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Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Sep 23 2008, 02:26 PM
Gary, I'm glad you asked. This question actually may be under both categories. However, here's the answer to a question for which I'm sure much of The Corner has been waiting:
As best as I can tell, INTJ is actually an alright guy. Really. I know, I know. . . I'm sounding optimistic, and perhaps I am. However, he seems to me to be a guy who's made a few glaring errors.
Simply being witty for the sake of being witty will, after a while, just make you sound condescending. It's become apparent to many, not just me, that INTJ's tone is of a level of condescension that hasn't been seen since the late great William F. Buckley. Dare I say it, the anecdotes I've read and heard about Buckley's personal demeanor put Mr. Buckley as less condescending than INTJ.
Inside jokes only function if there's at least two people in on it. Indeed, INTJ has cracked a few which I can safely tell he and I were the only two geeks to get it (or at least, to find amusing). Once again, having to sit and explain a joke just makes you sound like a jackass; it's just better to take your lumps (from your own misses) and keep rolling. INTJ's pride seems to be a bit excessive to allow him to just let a FAIL fly by.
Insult comedy only works when either the audience pays (that is to say, remits money) for it, and/or the insult is based on a germain truth. INTJ hasn't actually inquired to any of the germain truths of the other
s to such extent as to truly allow him a proper and well-earned right to a zinger. INTJ simply rolled in guns ablaze, but only based on the tenor set by others. Simply insulting the way somebody else does just makes you seem like a complete schmuck. Trying to justify the behavior makes you seem like an even bigger dick. It is only after taking one's lumps as a n00b, then interacting with the other participants in an affectively meaningful way, does one's counter-insults come across with a balance of rapier-wit and good-natured joviality.
Print rarely conveys tone. One has to write carefully to create the tone of each statement. It is in no small part why The Corner is a magnificent place of rhetoric, but of little substance. INTJ's tone has been persistently condescending and indignant, yet, he keeps posting. This is no place that crowns a God-King, but INTJ is well determined to try to assume that position; or at least his tone indicates that. To this end, the otherwise-mild gaffe of asking Les to remove her shirt came across as INTJ dispensing unwelcomed fashion advice to a hot chick. He later explained himself, but a prior history of condescension and indignant attitude framed the remark (and the explanation).
INTJ is a smart guy; no doubt. However, it would seem to me that he's made an error that many an intelligent person have made time and time again (including and especially your Unkie Trunkie); nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Yes, it's a horrible cliche, but it's true. Paired with a tone that is contemptuous, condescending, and without affective interaction over time with other s, INTJ comes off as a complete and utter asshole.
I'd like to believe these are merely gaffes, but I could be wrong.
As best as I can tell, INTJ is actually an alright guy. Really. I know, I know. . . I'm sounding optimistic, and perhaps I am. However, he seems to me to be a guy who's made a few glaring errors.
Simply being witty for the sake of being witty will, after a while, just make you sound condescending. It's become apparent to many, not just me, that INTJ's tone is of a level of condescension that hasn't been seen since the late great William F. Buckley. Dare I say it, the anecdotes I've read and heard about Buckley's personal demeanor put Mr. Buckley as less condescending than INTJ.
Inside jokes only function if there's at least two people in on it. Indeed, INTJ has cracked a few which I can safely tell he and I were the only two geeks to get it (or at least, to find amusing). Once again, having to sit and explain a joke just makes you sound like a jackass; it's just better to take your lumps (from your own misses) and keep rolling. INTJ's pride seems to be a bit excessive to allow him to just let a FAIL fly by.
Insult comedy only works when either the audience pays (that is to say, remits money) for it, and/or the insult is based on a germain truth. INTJ hasn't actually inquired to any of the germain truths of the other
s to such extent as to truly allow him a proper and well-earned right to a zinger. INTJ simply rolled in guns ablaze, but only based on the tenor set by others. Simply insulting the way somebody else does just makes you seem like a complete schmuck. Trying to justify the behavior makes you seem like an even bigger dick. It is only after taking one's lumps as a n00b, then interacting with the other participants in an affectively meaningful way, does one's counter-insults come across with a balance of rapier-wit and good-natured joviality.Print rarely conveys tone. One has to write carefully to create the tone of each statement. It is in no small part why The Corner is a magnificent place of rhetoric, but of little substance. INTJ's tone has been persistently condescending and indignant, yet, he keeps posting. This is no place that crowns a God-King, but INTJ is well determined to try to assume that position; or at least his tone indicates that. To this end, the otherwise-mild gaffe of asking Les to remove her shirt came across as INTJ dispensing unwelcomed fashion advice to a hot chick. He later explained himself, but a prior history of condescension and indignant attitude framed the remark (and the explanation).
INTJ is a smart guy; no doubt. However, it would seem to me that he's made an error that many an intelligent person have made time and time again (including and especially your Unkie Trunkie); nobody cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Yes, it's a horrible cliche, but it's true. Paired with a tone that is contemptuous, condescending, and without affective interaction over time with other
s, INTJ comes off as a complete and utter asshole.I'd like to believe these are merely gaffes, but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by zdave87,Sep 23 2008, 02:47 PM
Dear Unkie Trunkie,
Where is the PWA/ missive you wrote a few months ago?
Where is the PWA/
missive you wrote a few months ago?
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Originally Posted by 8D_In_Trunk,Sep 23 2008, 01:22 PM
I don't hate you Raj. Sometimes I'm disappointed at your readiness to project your frustrations, but otherwise, I think you're alright.
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Originally Posted by s2000raj,Sep 23 2008, 02:55 PM
INTJ not you, but he already answered that his hate is for Andy, not me.
. . . maybe I should've changed the AV to Andy Rooney.
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Dear Unkie Trunkie:
Thanks once again for your insightful but again obtuse and somewhat wordy response to my question.
I'm going with prick.
btw- I'm not Gary. I might envy being him but I'm not.
Thanks once again for your insightful but again obtuse and somewhat wordy response to my question.
I'm going with prick.
btw- I'm not Gary. I might envy being him but I'm not.
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Originally Posted by raymo19,Sep 23 2008, 03:09 PM
btw- I'm not Gary. I might envy being him but I'm not.
I'm slightly envious of Gary myself. On the other hand, I've got a few years (and a stock portfolio that can't go anywhere but up. . . right?!?!?!) to get there. . .
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Originally Posted by wicky,Sep 23 2008, 03:17 PM
optimism is the cornerstone of disappointment
