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Old Apr 18, 2012 | 02:04 PM
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whoah someones flexing those modscules
I did have roasted garlic on my pizza for lunch.
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 07:33 PM
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under where?
Old Apr 20, 2012 | 01:02 PM
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under where?
Gigdy, or Germany.
Old Apr 23, 2012 | 01:30 PM
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Unkie, what do you make of the Guppies' first round exit? Time to blow up this core (Thornton, Marleau, JoePa, et al) or just a couple pieces away?
Old Apr 23, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Unkie, what do you make of the Guppies' first round exit? Time to blow up this core (Thornton, Marleau, JoePa, et al) or just a couple pieces away?
Their first-round exit this year was seen by me at least back in October.

As I have said, the Sharts have come in two flavors:
1.) Run up to the all-star game, then hang on long enough to get a decent seed in the play-offs.
2.) Drive asleep at the wheel until the all-star game, then go charging all the way into the play-offs.

Either way, they've always gotten into the play-offs, and well into said play-offs, for many years, in time to choke. However, they've always been contenders up until this year.

This year, I could tell that by October, the dynamics had changed dramatically. They were not only pulling plan #2, but with a complete failure to get shots on goal pre-all-star break. When I saw the standings, it was apparent to me that even if Plan 1 or Plan 2 Sharts even touched the playoffs, they were going to get their asses handed to them by the shooting freaks (IIRC, Boston was the flavor of the week back when I made that prognostication). I checked out.

So now, everyone is calling to get rid of players. The only argument for that is the fact that the Sharts have been bad at clearing the puck from behind the goal. You could blame Thornton for that. Thornton might be getting old too. Past that, there's nothing I'd heavily change in the line up. My suspicions are first on McLellan and his assistants (like I said, you could blame Thornton, or you can blame the coaching), but I'd even go further up to Doug Wilson's office. Given how there's a (-n emerging) pattern (Setoguchi, Cheechoo) of trading popular players for draft picks, I really have to wonder if San Jose churns a team just to churn a team: throw out a "bad player," declare victory against failure for next season, only to fail with a variation on the same theme.

They need a coach with a bullwhip and a hot iron, and a GM that can make that kind of hiring happen.
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Neither Setoguchi nor Cheechoo did much after their trades and were largely expendable; you can put any decent finisher with Thornton and Marleau and they'll get 30 goals. Cheechoo flopped hardcore after he left. Burns (acquired for Setoguchi) was one of the Sharks' better D (not saying a ton), Setoguchi is decent for the Wild.

The Sharks were #2 in the NHL in shots on goal. They just didn't score very often.

Statistically the Sharks and Devils were pretty similar, except the Devils won most of their shootouts... and neither is doing well in playoff land.
Old Apr 23, 2012 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Neither Setoguchi nor Cheechoo did much after their trades and were largely expendable; you can put any decent finisher with Thornton and Marleau and they'll get 30 goals. Cheechoo flopped hardcore after he left. Burns (acquired for Setoguchi) was one of the Sharks' better D (not saying a ton), Setoguchi is decent for the Wild.
Hence the quotes around, "bad player." You are, in a way, defending my point, if you can put any decent finisher in with Thornton and Marleau, then it stands to reason you just need a better (read: consistent) cattle prod.

The Sharks were #2 in the NHL in shots on goal. They just didn't score very often.
I may have read the wrong column, but they came out of the gate failing in the first half of the season. . .

It's mostly irrelevant (but fun to mention), but of the 4-5 Guppies games I've been to, one was where they set the team record for shots on goal, and still lost.

Statistically the Sharks and Devils were pretty similar, except the Devils won most of their shootouts... and neither is doing well in playoff land.
Correlation of statistics does not point to the causes of failure. What's probably more meaningful, seeing as there are enough shootouts during the regular season, is a per-team and per-player breakdown of said shootouts.
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That last thing was mostly just a comment about 2 of my 3 favorite teams. The Devils had a good record but if you take out the shootout they barely make the playoffs... just like the Guppies.


I still think blaming the GM might be misguided - especially on the two trades you mentioned. Cheechoo was traded (essentially) for Heatley, a much better player. Setoguchi (an average winger) was traded for Burns (an average defended who looked a lot better before the trade).
Old Apr 24, 2012 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
I still think blaming the GM might be misguided - especially on the two trades you mentioned. Cheechoo was traded (essentially) for Heatley, a much better player. Setoguchi (an average winger) was traded for Burns (an average defended who looked a lot better before the trade).
I got on the train this morning, and the top of the sports Op. Ed. was a call to get rid of Marleau. . .
Old Apr 25, 2012 | 12:59 PM
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Not surprising. I think "trade Marleau" has been the default reaction to losing in the playoffs for at least 4 years.



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