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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:43 PM
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I agree with stricker laws and jail sentences, but i think that goes for every crime. If we had huge fines and lots of jail time then i think a lot of things would not happen as much. Also if they decided to take away stuff in jails. Like T.V., wieght rooms, pop, music, etc. All criminals should have is a few books and thats it. Jail needs to be tougher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but thats a whole other story.

As for banning guns i do not think so, its a person right just like anything else. Just because people are stupid with thier privalge, others should not suffer. It would be like saying well people get killed in accidents, involving import cars more then any other car, should we ban all import cars? No, its not our fault. Im sorry but its not the kids fault( to a piont) its the parents that riase those kids. I have never gone out and killed someone i have known better since i was like 6 years old. We put to much blame on society, movies, music, etc. and not enough on parents and how they riase their kids. My dad grew up around guns( and so did all his buddies), he nor his freinds never shot anybody. So if parents were held accountable and laws and penilties were way more strict, i think that alot of our problems( in gerenal) would be solved esspecialy the gun issue.
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by tokyo_james


It would take at least one generation Jack for the ban to really work, but people burying their heads in the sand just saying, it won't work means that another and another generation will pass without anything being done ......

It took probably 2 generations in the UK for drink driving laws to really make an impact on people because it was so ingrained into society that people just carried on anyway ..... but over time, it has now become much less of a problem ..... it just takes time ....
And there's the problem. No want wants to start the ball rolling. In order for the, laws have to be passed that ban guns. Legislation involves politics. Politicians who are for gun control don't get elected.
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:54 PM
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There are a LOT of people out there who will fight to the death for their right to bear arms. If we totally outlaw firearms I'm afraid we would have a lot more ruby ridge/ waco type situations on our hands.
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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Thus I say, it's impossible not because of the physical nature, but the mentality of the people.
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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but are they correct in their right to bear arms?
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Old Mar 10, 2003 | 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by robb

To seriously answer your question asdff I don't think parents should own guns. If there is a gun in the house then the odds are obviously much greater that a child can find it and shoot himself or another with it than if there were no gun at all. For the people who counter that they need a gun to protect their family I say they should learn how to protect i.e. fight with their hands and body as these weapons are always with you. If someone breaks into your house while you are sleeping you are not going to be able to defend yourself with a gun unless you sleep with it next to you loaded every night. If someone pulls a gun on you you are not going to be able to move to get your gun at that point either.
As for this answer it is true and it is not. If they come into your room first then yeah you have no way to get the gun if it is locked up. But lets look at a situation. Your sleeping and all of the sudden you hear a niose, that sounds suspious. It is coming from your 9 year old daughters room. You grab your gun that is up very high and has the magizine in a drawer right next to it. You grab the gun and load within 20secs. If you then proceed down the hall, where you hear a struggle going on in your daughters room. You sneak into the room, and see a man has your duaghters mouth coverd and a knife to her throat raping her. You can shoot him right there!!!!!!!!! if you did not have that gun and you tried sneaking up om him the chances of your daughters survival are much more slim.

I completly understand where you are coming from. But in my last post, if a parent teaches a child not to touch a gun then they wont.

I grew up with a few guns in my house. I was taught(and told time and time agian) never to play with guns and not to shot anyone, and to this day i have never shot anyone or came close to anything like that. And i have shot a gun many times. This shows that if a child is taught and it is reinforced that you do not screw around with guns, the chances of an inccident are small. If the gun is kept high and ammo is in another drawer(close by then the chances are that a child under the age of 8 will not be able to get to that gun. Any child that has been raised right to the age of 6, will know that guns are not to be played with and that killing someone is bad.

Agian i say hold the parents accountable they teach their kids what is right and wrong, that is simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Mar 11, 2003 | 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by asdff
Should it be illegal for parents of minors to own guns?
No.

Banning guns does not accomplish anything (sorry TJ). It leaves the criminal element of society well-armed, and the non-criminal element at their mercy. Those who want guns will find the means to get them (I could get a full auto assault rifle within 48 hours if I desired, banned or not). Singling out parents with young children is no better. All gun owners, whether they are parents or not, need to realize how much power that their weapon has, and to treat it with due respect. Education is the answer, not legislation.

To back up my initial statement regarding banning guns, I can only offer a circumstantial example. Indiana is a concealed weapon state - anyone over the age of 18 can apply for a conceled weapon permit, which allows them to carry a weapon. I don't know numbers, but I'd guess that maybe 1 in 50 people legally carries a gun here. Now, if I go into a crowded place - a restaurant, for example - and pull a gun, demand everyone's wallets and the restaurant's cash (think Pulp Fiction), there's a damn good chance someone else will have a gun. There's a possibility that several people will have one. It'd make me think twice. If guns were outlawed, chances are I can pull a gun on anyone, at any time, with no risk to my personal safety.

For the people who counter that they need a gun to protect their family I say they should learn how to protect i.e. fight with their hands and body as these weapons are always with you
Unless your name is "Neo" this doesn't work. Sorry, but bullets move a lot faster and hit a lot harder than you ever will.
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Old Mar 11, 2003 | 06:43 AM
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I was 4 years old when I started shooting with my dad. I had access to the guns and ammo all through growing up. I never once took those guns out without permission. I was TAUGHT to respect them for what they were.

Ignorance is not the answer to eliminating problems with firearms. Training and holding people accountable is.

I would never turn in my firearms if they were banned. The day the police we pay to protect us can guarantee they will be at my aid within seconds is the first day I would consider handing them over.

TJ - Fully automatic firearms are not illegal in the US. They are just harder and more expensive to get. I have shot many myself.
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