I dont understand, because he states in his web site that you can use the product with a stock engine....and saids it runs fine...do you really need a AEM ecu ...i mean even if one doesnt care about getting the full performance out of it??? Like iam sure once you install it its going to be a increase in HP..and tunning it will bring out even more..but what if ur happy with the numbers you got just by installing it?? or is it like a must if you dont want your car ideling off.

 

lol , iam quoting myself....well I decided to email the site and ask him that in the site it saids you can use it on stock engine..is that true to what extent?? heres what he wrote back


" Hi Alex

Thanks for contacting me. Yes you can use your stock engine to get a marginal performance gain using IRTB's. A standalone ECU is recommended to run the IRTB's. There are people that can make it work with the stock ECU or piggyback ECU, but we recommend a standalone ECU (AEM) & that is what we will be doing. Our FujiRacing IRTB kits differ from our competitors because we use velocity stacks (which is patented) and are sized just right. Everyone knows that IRTB's will work with a modified motor, but nobody has made them work on a stock motor with marginal gains. On a stock motor if you size the IRTB's too large which many have,then you will only get high RPM performance. Our goal is low-midrange torque without giving up the top end performance. We know that IRTB's are more effective than Forced induction for a Corolla, Miata, RX-7, and S2000 from our experience. Within the next month we should have our IRTB's on the S2000 & hope to share it with the import community.

Regards

Jimmy
FujiRacing "

thats for my 06 S

 

since you're an '06, you're probably going to have the most issues with attempting to get the throttle plates to work correctly...right now your throttle body is drive by wire...all other s2k's have a manual linkage...
TPS and IAC are also going to pose issues w/o a stand alone computer.

 

ahhhh...i c...thank you..but I told Jimmy I drove an 06 and said it would still work on a stock one??? he must of not reazlied the 06 part..o well..i guess were going to have to wait and c when they run the test on the ITB.

 

ITB WITH A TURBO = LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME

There is really no benifit to running ITB with a turbo. NA cars do better with them because of the extra air flow you get with them. More air = more fuel = more power. With a turbo or SC you are already adding supermega amounts of air over stock. Thottle response is about all you will gain and you'll hardly notice it. If you want to go FI and where thinking about getting ITBs, take that $$$ and get a built motor instead

 

The only advantage to a ITB+ turbo is greater flow rate through the engine.

AKA more power with less boost
But would be a real pain in the A@@ to tune properly.
But that has never stopped me before I like a chalange

 

greater flow = lower boost
lower boost = lower IAT
lower IAT = more timing advance
more timing advance = more power

 

Actually tuning ITBs is not that hard, please don't post about things you have no idea about. ITBs use a single vacuum point for a single MAP sensor. As long as the throttle plates move in unision there is nothing special about tuning them.

Also, you said greater flow rate. Do you have any idea what the flow differances are between ITBs and a plenuim manifold on a boosted car? I doubt it. Also 6psi is 6psi when you are dealing with the same turbo. I don't care if you are running super flux transducers. The limiting factor is the size of your valves and the duration of your intake lobe.

Sorry for being harsh, I'm just tired of all the misinformation on this site lately.

 

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lets not let this get out of hand ladies and gents. Keep it in debate format because drama sux


This thread is useful for discussion and learning, so if something is incorrect lets correct it but keep it on track

 

I think I can somehow work my argument ot make it all circular, eventually ending with:
more power = greater flow
and so on, ad infinitum