Pulled over
I don't know about you but for $76 I would pay it. I've gotten stupid tickets before but look at it this way.....I'm sure you've done something you didn't get caught doing.....for ALOT more than $76.
Pay the ticket be done with it.......I'm sure that when you passed you were WOT and the exhaust is WAY OVER factory under those conditions.
Pay the ticket be done with it.......I'm sure that when you passed you were WOT and the exhaust is WAY OVER factory under those conditions.
Whats the chance that anyone would ever be stopped more than once in a blue moon with an Invidia V3? Normal driving is relatively quiet and really not loud enough to attract attention IMO.
What is the penalty for say two exhaust infractions in one year? Is each ticket paid then everything returns to zero since it's a non moving violation, or does each ticket add to the price of the next?
Has anyone had more than one of these tickets or know of anyone else who have more than one?
What is the penalty for say two exhaust infractions in one year? Is each ticket paid then everything returns to zero since it's a non moving violation, or does each ticket add to the price of the next?
Has anyone had more than one of these tickets or know of anyone else who have more than one?
Originally Posted by zdave87' date='Mar 14 2007, 01:30 PM
He wasn't "pulled over for the exhaust", he was pulled over for passing/crossing a yellow line.
Adding the "illegal exhaust" ticket is no different than getting a ticket for speeding, and then getting a ticket because you aren't wearing a seatbelt, or you didn't have your kid in a safety seat, or you don't have current insurance etc.
Adding the "illegal exhaust" ticket is no different than getting a ticket for speeding, and then getting a ticket because you aren't wearing a seatbelt, or you didn't have your kid in a safety seat, or you don't have current insurance etc.
Originally Posted by JackS' date='Mar 14 2007, 09:43 PM
Whats the chance that anyone would ever be stopped more than once in a blue moon with an Invidia V3? Normal driving is relatively quiet and really not loud enough to attract attention IMO.
What is the penalty for say two exhaust infractions in one year? Is each ticket paid then everything returns to zero since it's a non moving violation, or does each ticket add to the price of the next?
Has anyone had more than one of these tickets or know of anyone else who have more than one?
What is the penalty for say two exhaust infractions in one year? Is each ticket paid then everything returns to zero since it's a non moving violation, or does each ticket add to the price of the next?
Has anyone had more than one of these tickets or know of anyone else who have more than one?
Originally Posted by JaxShawn' date='Mar 13 2007, 03:13 PM
I didn't feel like reading all the replys but in FL it is illegal to modify the exhaust on any motor vehcle
p.s. i'm a law enforcement officer, i know
p.s. i'm a law enforcement officer, i know
And what about Harley Bikes, those damn things you can hear 5 streets away...
Originally Posted by YER-SLOW' date='Mar 15 2007, 03:35 AM
What about all the mustangs that you see? Everyone knows that those exhaust are not stock...
And what about Harley Bikes, those damn things you can hear 5 streets away...
And what about Harley Bikes, those damn things you can hear 5 streets away...
I would be interested in the outcome of this if taken to court for a decision.
My opinion is that an officer, as a normal human being, can clearly hear a loud exhaust. However, that does not show clear and unambiguous proof that any law is broken. It only gives probable cause and allows the officer to administer a test that can show a definitive infraction.
An example of this is if you are weaving on the street an officer can stop you for probable cause of intoxication. This gives the officer the opportunity and right to administer a sobriety test to unambiguously show that you are intoxicated. If the officer writes you a ticket without the test, it is most probably a technicality and will be thrown out.
Under this supposition, the officer has the right to stop you for a loud exhaust under the probable cause that it has been modified and that it is louder than permitted. However, he must execute a test to show a definitive infraction to the stipulations as outlined in the law.
If the expectation is that an officer does NOT have to administer a test then every aftermarket OEM replacement muffler (Midas, Meineke, etc) could be written up as well based on the "subjective" evaluation of the officer. The law then becomes ambiguous and is unjust.
In the end, don't listen to anybody here (myself included!). If you decide to fight it, talk to a lawyer. If you fight it successfully, all of us can cite your case as precedence in court when it's our turn.
This is something worth pitching in for. Maybe we can bring other club members (350Z, Porsche, etc) in the region to help out financially? If it is a legitimate movement, I'd chip in!
My opinion is that an officer, as a normal human being, can clearly hear a loud exhaust. However, that does not show clear and unambiguous proof that any law is broken. It only gives probable cause and allows the officer to administer a test that can show a definitive infraction.
An example of this is if you are weaving on the street an officer can stop you for probable cause of intoxication. This gives the officer the opportunity and right to administer a sobriety test to unambiguously show that you are intoxicated. If the officer writes you a ticket without the test, it is most probably a technicality and will be thrown out.
Under this supposition, the officer has the right to stop you for a loud exhaust under the probable cause that it has been modified and that it is louder than permitted. However, he must execute a test to show a definitive infraction to the stipulations as outlined in the law.
If the expectation is that an officer does NOT have to administer a test then every aftermarket OEM replacement muffler (Midas, Meineke, etc) could be written up as well based on the "subjective" evaluation of the officer. The law then becomes ambiguous and is unjust.
In the end, don't listen to anybody here (myself included!). If you decide to fight it, talk to a lawyer. If you fight it successfully, all of us can cite your case as precedence in court when it's our turn.
This is something worth pitching in for. Maybe we can bring other club members (350Z, Porsche, etc) in the region to help out financially? If it is a legitimate movement, I'd chip in!
The pulling over is bogus... Saying you cant modify at all... I use to be a manager at toyota and we put on exhaust on people cars all the time... Granted they where made by Toyota but they were modified...
We put them on T.c's Supras, celicas, and Tundras all the time... Now what is the law about that?
We put them on T.c's Supras, celicas, and Tundras all the time... Now what is the law about that?
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