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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 08:22 AM
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I think this guy will spend the rest of his days in a mental hospital, using the insanity defense. Unless the prosecution can prove that a sane person takes their own life. They have to hope they can convince the jury, that he was sane when he got out of the car.

Also, there are many degrees of homicide. I think they can convict him on manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, 2nd degree murder (maybe) where he did something that was so outrageous that it was going to kill others. Like throwing a grenade in a pool thinking the water will stop the shrapnel. It wont, and although he didn't plan on killing everyone in the pool, his actions did. Excespt this pool was a train.

What they should do is make a deal with the judge (which I think is pretty illegal) and convict him on manslaughter x 10 deaths, and make the 7 years for manslaughter (guessing here) run consecutively. 70 years for 10 manslaughters.
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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Save California millions from prosecuting/feeding/providing for this moron and throw his ass off a bridge. Just make sure its a really really tall bridge.
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:28 AM
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NICE
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ninethreeeleven,Jan 27 2005, 12:22 PM
I think this guy will spend the rest of his days in a mental hospital, using the insanity defense. Unless the prosecution can prove that a sane person takes their own life. They have to hope they can convince the jury, that he was sane when he got out of the car.

Also, there are many degrees of homicide. I think they can convict him on manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, 2nd degree murder (maybe) where he did something that was so outrageous that it was going to kill others. Like throwing a grenade in a pool thinking the water will stop the shrapnel. It wont, and although he didn't plan on killing everyone in the pool, his actions did. Excespt this pool was a train.

What they should do is make a deal with the judge (which I think is pretty illegal) and convict him on manslaughter x 10 deaths, and make the 7 years for manslaughter (guessing here) run consecutively. 70 years for 10 manslaughters.
Isn't murder based on intent? I thought manslaughter was based on recklessness except involentary? Someone chime in and give us the defs. I think murder is a bit extreme unless he knew it was going to kill people. Not that I feel bad for him. Just thinking about the symatics of law
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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It would be totally ironic for this guy to get the death penalty.
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by honda606,Jan 28 2005, 04:12 AM
Come on honda get with the times man! Taking responsibility for your own actions is so last decade man

I think this guy will spend the rest of his days in a mental hospital, using the insanity defense. Unless the prosecution can prove that a sane person takes their own life. They have to hope they can convince the jury, that he was sane when he got out of the car.
I was told that he's been in and out if institutions already so there isn't much chance of convincing a jury that he's the full quid.




Excespt this pool was a train.
That sounds like a quote from zoolander dude
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 01:51 PM
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Sorry for those victims!

But to be honest, poor guy! He just couldn't figure out a sure way to commit suicide. He sounds cookoo and looks like he's had a very rough life.
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 03:07 PM
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Find Dr. Kevorkian so he can show this nutjob the right way to kill yourself.
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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Jan 28 2005, 01:48 AM
Why do it in a car why not just lay down on the tracks with you neck strateling one of them. Slice done deal.
I think that is what they need to clarify, did he do it this way because he was angry at the world and wanted to get revenge for all his mental pain? If so then this was a premeditated murder whether he survived or not. Are suicide bombers not to blame for the homocide that they set out to achieve because they aren't of sound mind?

I seem to recall somewhere like Italy had a system whereby no matter what the circumstances someone must be charged with the murder so if it is suicide the dead person is charged with his own death. I doubt that it is in fact Italy but has anyone heard this system before?

I think this guy will spend the rest of his days in a mental hospital, using the insanity defense. Unless the prosecution can prove that a sane person takes their own life. They have to hope they can convince the jury, that he was sane when he got out of the car.
When I first read this I thought that it was rediculous because not all people that commit suicide are insane but according the the true meaning of the word (as opposed to the one that I associated it with)

2. Having or showing sound judgment; reasonable.

It seems that anyone could take a plea though Im sure it isn't that easy. Perhaps the level of judgement made by someone committing suicide isn't on the same level as your average person but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they were insane personally.... though I'm honestly not sure about this.

Do you have to be insane to commit suicide? Are you really of sound mind when you kill anyone, or could Osama pull an insanity plea on grounds of religous "conditioning" Its an interesting thought.
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