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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TerminatioN
Originally Posted by Mack21' timestamp='1410478349' post='23327340
So.... Is there going to be a vote to bring back Rosario?
I doubt it. They obviously don't care what anyone else thinks. I'm honestly surprised this thread is still here.
You're foolish to think we don't care, and also very, very wrong. We do care, we would not be here if we didn't.

I've already said why I reopened the thread. You guys do have the right to understand why a person has been banned, that's the purpose of this thread, and to ask questions to understand the situation.

The fact of the matter is Rosario broke the rules, numerous times, and he was warned to not continue, these warnings were ignored. The result of his actions resulted in a ban. If you guys want to be angry and upset that he's gone you're free to do so, but your anger is focused at the wrong person. Ask Rosario why he felt he could ignore the rules and why he felt they didn't/don't apply to him.

We have a very diverse group of people who visit this forum daily, and although some of you may not have issue with some comments made, the same isn't true for everyone. Not everyone has the same sense of humor or disregard for people's feelings. This site is for everyone, not just the select few who frequent the status updates.

We do not remove posts for fun, we do not delete comments if we don't personally agree with them, and we do not do this for a power trip. We remove content that violates the terms of service, which every single one of you agreed to abide by when you joined this forum. If you do not abide by the rules, there are repercussions, plain and simple.

Rosario repeatedly ignored those rules and warnings and this is the result.
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 05:07 PM
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Did someone die?
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by UnkieTrunkie
Originally Posted by starrman' timestamp='1410477893' post='23327332
Thank you for your explanation of the process, it was helpful.
That's all I was attempting to do, was invite you into my little slice of my end of business.

I think it was the right thing to not sweep this under the rug as you have done previously with other bannings. I think this is first because everyone disagrees with the permanent ban. I am assuming that most bans are done to people the majority agree...but maybe I am wrong.
We've never swept a ban under the rug (as far as I can remember). We have though, always kept it to the people involved: namely, the Moderation staff, and the person offending. It's never previously been open to comment. As I said, past practice and all that. . . and even if we were to entertain it, it's still more suited to the Admin section. . .

Sam's idea, was for us, for once, to be transparent as to why we did the ban. To that end, he lays it out in his first post without airing out all the laundry.

This is not the first time there's been wide or strong disagreement about a permanent ban. I earlier cited Mr. Eryozgatlian: the guy was a laugh and a half, had contributed heavily to the forum (RC threads and subforum, RIP). . . except when it came to a very select few on a very select topic. Similar to Rosie, stellar 90%+(+) of the time, but the other 5%-10% of the time, he was hell on wheels. He was eventually banned (and there was only a short-ish time from his warnings to his ban), and many demanded to know why. The Moderation staff, without specifying what, stated what Rule that was broken, we shrugged, and have kept going. Has The Back Lot suffered? Maybe. Had the RC threads suffered? Yes (you don't see 'em, but they were there).

Conversely, GroovyNeilNeil - his ban was exactly N-1 posts too late for me (personally),* but it wasn't his raison d'etre** that actually did him in. So, a case where everybody wanted him gone, but the annoyance had nothing to directly do with what got him banned. Sometimes, you warn somebody, and they can get nasty. While nobody wants him back, those of us who were there learned a very funny lesson about how one may react to warnings. As my predecessor would say, "You don't get banned, you ban yourself."

*I wasn't even a Moderator then, I just had more respect for my athlete's foot than him.
**He prided himself on his trolling, and plenty of people took the bait. There's still a loose trail of evidence around here. . .

I saw what you did there.
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sam_spider
You're foolish to think we don't care, and also very, very wrong. We do care, we would not be here if we didn't.

I've already said why I reopened the thread. You guys do have the right to understand why a person has been banned, that's the purpose of this thread, and to ask questions to understand the situation.

The fact of the matter is Rosario broke the rules, numerous times, and he was warned to not continue, these warnings were ignored. The result of his actions resulted in a ban. If you guys want to be angry and upset that he's gone you're free to do so, but your anger is focused at the wrong person. Ask Rosario why he felt he could ignore the rules and why he felt they didn't/don't apply to him.

We have a very diverse group of people who visit this forum daily, and although some of you may not have issue with some comments made, the same isn't true for everyone. Not everyone has the same sense of humor or disregard for people's feelings. This site is for everyone, not just the select few who frequent the status updates.

We do not remove posts for fun, we do not delete comments if we don't personally agree with them, and we do not do this for a power trip. We remove content that violates the terms of service, which every single one of you agreed to abide by when you joined this forum. If you do not abide by the rules, there are repercussions, plain and simple.

Rosario repeatedly ignored those rules and warnings and this is the result.
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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky
Originally Posted by bluemetals2k' timestamp='1410481754' post='23327384
[quote name='arsenal' timestamp='1410449748' post='23326495']
Please can you address the comments regarding how we can have the hotties section, and porn references (see would you thread) but not be able to state our opinions?


The status updates have no warning you load the main page BOOM status updates. Is that hard to grasp for you?
Its really very simple. Change it! Incorporate SU to be an open forum, an inclusive with adult warnings. That means 18years. Shouldn't weed out too many on this site, certainly only a very small minority, and lets face it, many of us have a hard time relating to anyone younger.

If the mods/admins are willing to give up a little bit of their power and start providing some poles, we can decide what would make the majority most inclusive here and happy with some more key aspects of this site. Allow the average member to take a little more ownership. If nothing else, this will help promote a more positive vibe and people in turn will be more apt to want to govern themselves a little more. IF thats the broader goal here?
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Have you been to the Backlot?
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:11 PM
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Don't bother, it's full of aliens.
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sam_spider
Originally Posted by TerminatioN' timestamp='1410480602' post='23327367
[quote name='Mack21' timestamp='1410478349' post='23327340']
So.... Is there going to be a vote to bring back Rosario?
I doubt it. They obviously don't care what anyone else thinks. I'm honestly surprised this thread is still here.
You're foolish to think we don't care, and also very, very wrong. We do care, we would not be here if we didn't.

I've already said why I reopened the thread. You guys do have the right to understand why a person has been banned, that's the purpose of this thread, and to ask questions to understand the situation.

The fact of the matter is Rosario broke the rules, numerous times, and he was warned to not continue, these warnings were ignored. The result of his actions resulted in a ban. If you guys want to be angry and upset that he's gone you're free to do so, but your anger is focused at the wrong person. Ask Rosario why he felt he could ignore the rules and why he felt they didn't/don't apply to him.

We have a very diverse group of people who visit this forum daily, and although some of you may not have issue with some comments made, the same isn't true for everyone. Not everyone has the same sense of humor or disregard for people's feelings. This site is for everyone, not just the select few who frequent the status updates.

We do not remove posts for fun, we do not delete comments if we don't personally agree with them, and we do not do this for a power trip. We remove content that violates the terms of service, which every single one of you agreed to abide by when you joined this forum. If you do not abide by the rules, there are repercussions, plain and simple.

Rosario repeatedly ignored those rules and warnings and this is the result.
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You care about the general perception of you, not about what we actually want. I'm not not naive enough to think they are one in the same.

Bottom line is that you did what you wanted and even if the entire rest of the community opposed it as long as you could find a way to spin it with some minor justification you think that is sufficient.

Originally Posted by sam_spider
and to ask questions to understand the situation.
So is that why some of the most important questions have gone unanswered and ignored? Ex: Why was it upped to a permaban? Why not just a X day/month suspension. etc.

You can keep trying to spin it however you want but we all know if this came down to a vote he wouldn't be permabanned.
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by StormTroopinAP2
Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1410483328' post='23327407
[quote name='bluemetals2k' timestamp='1410481754' post='23327384']
[quote name='arsenal' timestamp='1410449748' post='23326495']
Please can you address the comments regarding how we can have the hotties section, and porn references (see would you thread) but not be able to state our opinions?


The status updates have no warning you load the main page BOOM status updates. Is that hard to grasp for you?
Its really very simple. Change it! Incorporate SU to be an open forum, an inclusive with adult warnings. That means 18years. Shouldn't weed out too many on this site, certainly only a very small minority, and lets face it, many of us have a hard time relating to anyone younger.

If the mods/admins are willing to give up a little bit of their power and start providing some poles, we can decide what would make the majority most inclusive here and happy with some more key aspects of this site. Allow the average member to take a little more ownership. If nothing else, this will help promote a more positive vibe and people in turn will be more apt to want to govern themselves a little more. IF thats the broader goal here?
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Have you been to the Backlot?
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No, I never do. Point being?
Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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Old Sep 11, 2014 | 06:33 PM
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Well, this got cunty. I went through my stages of grief swiftly on this one.

1. Denial - He was banned? Permanently? Don't bullshit me. [Arnold voice]
2. Anger - NAZIS! *changes avatar*
3. Bargaining - Let's have a poll, ok?
4. Depression - But where will I get my s2ki jollies? What's the point in renewing?
5. Acceptance - The guy was a habitual line stepper, and I kinda understand the admins' position.

I know at this point he's not coming back, but I still love s2ki and think the mods do a swell job. Rosario leaves a hole in the status updates that will never be filled, but I don't want to see any more guys banned. Let's forge ahead. It's summer. We have beautiful cars. We still have the SUs (remember years back they were nearly taken off the front page). Things aren't so bad.



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