business travel. is this common?
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Originally Posted by gotrice02,Jul 9 2007, 08:02 AM
Yes, but let me emphasize that I DO NOT go to strip clubs on a regular basis. My argument is that there is nothing wrong with occasionally going to one...obviously, you dont care to go to them..
I concur with the newly formed argument you're championing... I see nothing wrong at all with you going... but to say others are weak for not going is ridiculous... some guys simply don't need strip clubs.
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Originally Posted by gotrice02,Jul 9 2007, 10:02 AM
Yes, but let me emphasize that I DO NOT go to strip clubs on a regular basis. My argument is that there is nothing wrong with occasionally going to one...obviously, you dont care to go to them..
You can argue all you want that it's not wrong but you won't "win" - it's a preference, not an absolute, just like every other moral compass (my own included). That's why I'm not arguing that it IS wrong - I'm merely stating my position on what I would do in that situation and how I would feel if asked.
The toughest thing is, this hypothetical situations puts me being put in the awkward position of turning down what is, to the person offering, a nice gesture meant to break the ice and give me some enjoyment. It puts him in the awkward position of being rebuffed and perhaps having to come up with a better idea.
Like I said, I don't drink either, so hanging out in a club or bar isn't my idea of fun either. That's something that I deal with semi-regularly when I travel and is a very real situation for me. This strip club thing will probably never happen to me, which is why I was originally asking how others have dealt with it (both in offering and receiving an offer).
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Originally Posted by Otter,Jul 9 2007, 08:05 AM
To look for patterns that are not related to their work abilities is looking to limit your opportunities. I need people that will help me move forward in my career, help the company, etc. I couldn't care less if they live their home life in a way that is incompatible with mine.
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Originally Posted by AGBLLET,Jul 9 2007, 10:15 AM
Quite the contrary. My position is one of advocating lack of judging the morals of those individuals that do enjoy a cold beer within the venue that provides adult entertainment.
We can say all day that we are not judging people but in the end, we are still going to have perceptions and feelings. Those cannot be turned off or ignored completely. The idea that I'm wrong for "judging" someone for what they're doing is no different than your position (or anyone else's) that judges me for having a moral compass that holds me to any sort of a standard. We all "judge" in some way. It's a circular argument that works for both of us.
Ultimately, I only answer for my own words and actions. This is a forum where discussions take place - I'll put my own beliefs and opinions (they're the same thing anyways, just like yours are) out there with everyone else's.
I think you'll find that I haven't judged a single person on here nor have I said "I am a better person" or "You're wrong and I'm right". It'd be pointless for me to do it, much less egotistical and self-righteous. I have only stated what I feel to be wrong and right and left it at that. When pressed for clarifications, I've given them.
If that is wrong then we might as well bring Chairman Mao back from the dead so you can vote for him.
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Jonboy, did I misunderstand one of your prior positions which advocated that you would not do business with a potential partner or client that wanted to enjoy some adult entertainment via the local strip club?
