What do you folks think about all this?

 

i think the goddamn chi-coms should let our servicemen and women go NOW, leave our plane alone and STOP EMBARRASING THE CHINESE PEOPLE around the world! i am sometimes so ashamed of crapola they pull i have to say "i'm a Taiwanese-American and not Chinese" eventhough DNA testing would've shown otherwise.

what the chi-coms are demanding is akin to two of us in S2000s trying to force a freakin' semi truck off the road, one of the S2000s was driven in a very unsafe and shitty manner and crashed, then the family of the crashed S2000 driver demands the truck driver to apologize, now WTF kind of logic is that? how dare they?

emotional about this issue? you bet. Why do so many people living in Taiwan prefer to have their own political identity? is it hard to understand?

 

DNA test may have shown significant differences unless your family just recently immigrated from China. (less than 300 years)
I'm waiting for them to hurt one of the 24 people so we can bomb the crap out of them. But again, for those 24 people's sake.....maybe not. The Chinese are all talks.

 

What a bunch of bull.... You know, most of the time I do not want to see people hurt, and I want to avoid conflict. But in this case I'd gladly eat dirt, bleed, and fight to punish these twisted f&*ks. To detain a crew after a Mayday landing, to insist on an apology for consequences of their own misdeeds, then have the nerve to brand us as arrogant

 

I've been tempted to post on this issue, cause it really gets me torqued off, but until now haven't cause I thought it might get deleted promptly for being "political." At any rate, here are a few of my thoughts:

1) I find it highly unlikely that the EP-3 is responsible for the crash. A plane that size does not "veer suddenly" under any conditions, and certainly not when being screwed with by fighter planes that cannot actually do anything to it. I'm dumbfounded by all the interviews I see of Chinese citizens who truly believe the US plane is at fault, and we're just refusing to apologize. If we were, I'm sure our government would be falling all over itself apologizing, just like we did to the Japanese after the submarine incident. Am I being biased when I believe our news sources before theirs? How can they believe what their media tells them when it's controlled by the state?? The Chinese government is simply trying to see if the US will back down and admit wrongdoing (i.e. Lie...probably) in order to get its crewmembers back.

2) Our government should NOT apologize if in fact the Chinese fighters caused the accident. Unfortunately I don't know how we'll resolve that question, b/c with the planes flying as close together as they were I doubt any radar imagery that exists will be able to discern them. Personal testimonies from either side will be dimissed as biased/coerced.

3) We will get the crew back, and they will be in good health, regardless of whether our government formally apologizes. I hate to use the word "hostage" because I don't think the US aviators are in any physical danger, but I think a time will arrive in a month or so when we will start using that term if the situation is still unresolved. Are there military contingincies being planned right now? You betcha. Before it comes to that though, I think the Chinese would release them as a "magnanimous gesture in the face of American arrogance and war-mongering" or some such crap.

4) If we ever get the plane back, it will be in many many pieces, or at least been rebuilt from that state. Regardless of how much data and hardware the crew managed to destroy before being forced from the plane, it's still an intelligence goldmine to the Chinese, and they're not going to let it go until they've learned everything that can.

Ugh, sorry for the length of that...needed to vent a bit though. By the way, I'm fully aware that I'm possibly biased to the US view by the fact that I'm a US citizen, but I consider myself a pretty rational individual, and the evidence that I have seen (presented by a Media that takes any chance it can get to discredit/bash our government) indicates that the most likely explanation is the Chinese pilot fouled up, and the Chinese don't want to admit it.

 

I think the Chinese government is totally corrupt and manipulating the facts. Then again, so are US media and journalists.

Just to play devil's advocate, consider if a Chinese spy plane crashed landed off the coast of California (for whatever reason). First, I think that the American people would be infuriated that there was a spy plane flying so close to us, and for what reason? Then, I would expect that the US would also detain the spies from the plane (and CNN would call them spies, not "military personel") for questioning, inspection of the plane, etc.

It's a weird situation and I hope it gets settled quickly. They need to return the people and get over it. There's been far too much anti-China sentiment in the US lately (Wen Ho Lee, Christopher Cox report, bombing of Chinese embassy, etc). It makes Chinese Americans like myself (mostly from Taiwan) really uncomfortable.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rasputin314
[B]There's been far too much anti-China sentiment in the US lately (Wen Ho Lee, Christopher Cox report, bombing of Chinese embassy, etc).

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rasputin314
[B]Just to play devil's advocate, consider if a Chinese spy plane crashed landed off the coast of California (for whatever reason).

 

Locked...this issue is a little too political.