sounds like you never seen a fake before. theres a reason why it's called a FAKE.

 

Did you read this thread? This is not about "just a fake" this is about a high end fake, which you my friend, would never be able to tell, even if I gave you a real and the fake at the same time.

 

nfr, have you seen a perfectswiss watch?

Are they functionally that good as well as asthetically?

They seem to only have a 1 year warranty.

 

there's at least one good reason to never buy a watch out of an overcoat

I'm not sure why anyone would ever pay $1600 for a fake, but whatever. I would agree that it can be damn hard to identify a fake in internet pictures, but if you have any familiarity with fine watches, you can tell a quality item in your hand quite easily. I don't know about Rolex in general, but the finish on the various components are pretty much impossible to fake. If the watch is made to the same degree of finish as the original, it won't be cheaper to produce than the original. So careful in-hand inspection of a fake will make it pretty obvious. However, you'd be a fool to spend the kind of money a Rolex commands without looking in the case.

 

Yes, I have seen and played with a perfectswiss daytona. The fact that they actually use a high end movement (I had the watch opened) doesnt make it easy as well. 27 jewels is nothing to sneeze at. A watch is high end if it has 17, 27 is VERY fine. I have also held an exact replica of my father's two tone submariner...and the replica was superb. Again, unless you open the watch, you are not going to tell them apart. Rumor has it that (just like some of those fake supercar replicas) they actually use some of the key parts that are OEM, like the dials, hands, pins, and crowns.

The watch would pass as real any day of the week. My only problem with them is.... YOU know its fake. I wouldnt be happy knowing something I have is a fake. Just like those fake LV bags. Sure, people think you are a baller, but YOU know you are a poser.

 

well, my Hamilton Khaki Action uses 25 jewels, and it is on the low end of automatics, price-wise. It uses the same movement as many much more expensive watches, it just isn't decorated. Most autos use 25 or so jewels, chronographs included. Mechanical movements typically use 17 or so.

Since Rolex uses all in-house movements, a familiarity with standard movements will allow you to easily tell if a "Rolex" is a Rolex, or a fake with a quality movement. There aren't that many chronograph movements out there, so it's easy to keep a short "cheat sheet." But really, there is no reason in the world to buy a Rolex from someone you suspect would sell you a fake, unless a fake is what you want. There are so many ways to tell if the watch you want to buy is an authentic Rolex, there is no logical reason to get taken.

I agree that regardless of what is inside, if it says Rolex and isn't, I'd pass. But the only reason it has a quality movement and is a Rolex fake is if it isn't as good a watch as the price tag implies. There are so many watches across all price points that use quality movements and are every bit the equal and superior to any Rolex that I really can't understand why anyone would want a real one, much less a fake Rolex. There's nothing wrong with a Rolex but the price tag. Resale, however, is a plus. If you ever think you might be arrested in a foreign country for murder, a Rolex might make a good bribe However, if you are arrested in a backwater country, chances are they'll just take your Rolex and toss you in the cooler, so it's not a guarantee lol.

But buying a fake is just acknowledging you don't know jack about watches. There's plenty of replicas and legitimate clones, especially of the Daytona. When I see a Daytona on someone's arm, I think "fake," or "self-important," but when I see a Speedmaster, I think "savvy and discerning." The watches are very similar in appearance, but a Speedmaster really says a hell of a lot more, IMHO, than a Daytona. The Rolex is bling, the Speedmaster a tool.

 

He he....I see your point. However, with a quality movement, you wont be able to tell if the movement is Rolex or not, unless you open the watch.

My two favorite watches out of my entire collection are the Speedmaster, and the Seamaster. I have a Daytona as well. I like the Daytona because IMHO, its not blingy at all. It is a very muted chronograph, and it is very simple. Unlike my Navitimer Heritage, which is EXTREMELY busy, a Daytona looks very nice with a nice suit at a dinner party. It's a watch has doesnt look out of place at a wedding, or as a softball game. Now, when I see a presidential, THEN I think the person is a tasteless moron with too much money, and absolutely no brains.

 

I really don't get the reason someone would pay $1600 for a "fake", when you could get a watch of equal build quality with a "real" name for the same price. Omega, Tag, Oris, Movado... there are so many nice watches out there. Even the movement is the same as a Rolex, why not get the same (or better) movement from a real company?

 

Thats my point. Even if you have everyone else fooled, you are not fooling yourself, and KNOW its a fake.

However, you are incorrect in saying that there are tons of watches for $1600 that are good. I can count MAYBE 10 watches that I would consider good quality (high end) for $1600. The Omega Seamaster is one of them.

 

A link of interest re: determining fakes etc.

http://penangtalk.com/rolex/