again, buying guns online is really not an option for most people. It's illegal to ship a weapon except to a licensed dealer. And I don't know why a licensed dealer would accept shipment of a weapon you didn't buy from them.

Your best bet is to stop trying to save a few bucks buying online, and actually go out and shoot a real gun once or twice. It's like asking where one can buy a car online. That's not the way one should go about it, even if it was possible.

And FWIW, $500 for a handgun is kind of a low budget for a handheld device that accelerates a significant piece of metal to supersonic speeds.

 

good advice here kumainu.
Every gun will feel different in your hand. Grip angle and grip size will often determine what feels most comfortable to you. Try as many as possible at the range and see which one you are naturally most accurate with.

When it counts, shot placement is more important than the size of the projectile. If you are having to defend yourself with deadly force 9mm JHP or larger will be sufficient with proper placement. Getting your front sight back on the target as quickly as possible is key, especially if you have multiple targets. Putting space between you and the bad guy/s is always a good idea as well. Youre better off running from a situation if you can, rather than having to deploy a firearm, but if you cant run and you have to protect your life....shoot to kill.

Know the gun laws in your area. Always call the police at the slightest sign of the possibility there will be firearms involved in a "situation". It seems the police perceive the first person to call the cops gets to be the victim. Never draw a firearm unless you are in fear for your life. Brandishing a firearm to "scare" someone will get you a boat load of jail time.

Take a firearm safety course and practice often. Its a fun hobbie....target shooting is just like bowling but faster.

$500 will get you a quality used firearm. I spent that on a glock G19 years ago and have over 15,000 rounds through it with ONLY one (1) failure to fire in that time, due to a Winchester White Box cartridge that had no primer.

Enjoy the 2nd Amendment of our constitution, while it lasts.

 

with respect, I enjoy trap shooting, target shooting, and deer hunting, yet have no plans to use a gun to kill another human. It's not a logical step to me.

The idea that the logical use for a gun is killing other people, sorry - "personal protection" :/, is part of the problem with guns in our society. If you want to kill people with guns, do the obvious and join the military. If they'll take you. Stay out of my neighborhood, please.

Is it possible to have a thread referencing firearms without sick bastards polluting it with advice on how to kill people with them?

 

You wouldnt protect yourself with a firearm if someone was going to kill you?

 

gunbroker.com

as with all weapons online, you have to have it shipped to your local FFL in order to obtain it.

for 500$ you can come across a nice, used USP. My friend just purchased his .45 Full Size special edition USP for around 600 after tax and transfer fees from a gun shop in florida.

Gun shops aren't all overpriced, especially with used guns some will be willing to haggle. For 500$ you can find a nice sig pro, usp or 1911..... figure out what round you want to be shooting (9mm, .40, .45, .357, .454, etc). It will not only determine how expensive the gun is, but also how expensive your trips to the range will be.

 

I would prefer to deter the attack without causing death on either side. The last thing I woud take pride in is killing somebody, regardless of the circumstances.

I currently don't rely on a gun to stay alive. My strategy has been successful so far. In fact, I can't think of a single occasion where killing another human being would have been a handy option. I'm not sure where you live, but where I live ("inner city" by most definitions) it's really not necessary.

Now, if I was dealing contraband to a clientele that was notoriously unstable and my competitors were psychopathic imbeciles, perhaps I'd feel the need to use my trigger finger pre-emptively. But then I'd be a raving moron for engaging in such behavior in the first place.

While riding my bike I was hit by a truck. Should I have been carrying a gun and shot the guy before he hit me? Ignoring the fact that is not practical, it also seems a bit heavy-handed. Yes, the guy was attempting to kill me, as far as I could tell. He failed, and we both walked away, me with scrapes and bruises and a false sense of invulnerability, he pissing-his-pants scared after I jumped up and attacked his truck with my bare hands - but all was good a few minutes later. I fail to see how the situation could heve been improved had one of us had a gun.

Calling you a sick bastard was a bit harsh, but really, you were giving advice on how to kill people. Since when has that been acceptable? Did I not get the memo? Why is every thread mentioning guns have to involve discussion on who to kill and how best to do it? Kind of juvenile, IMHO.

 

[QUOTE=GT_2003,Sep 29 2007, 08:03 PM] 1) again, buying guns online is really not an option for most people.

 

[QUOTE=GT_2003,Sep 29 2007, 10:01 PM] I would prefer to deter the attack without causing death on either side.

 

I have never come across a dealer that wouldn't do a transfer for me. As mentioned above, they make money..

GT_2003, there is no problem with using guns for personal protection. Those with pistol permits know how to operate a gun, and know when to use a gun. Nobody legally carrying a firearm wants to use it to defend themselves or anyone else. It is an absolute last line of defense. You have obviously been in some shaky situations, and you're probably lucky you have not been harmed (car accident aside). Clearly the circumstances surrounding these encounters did not warrant the use of a firearm. If they did, you, or some around you, would have been severely injured as a result of the pre-meditated actions of another with the explicit intent to inflict that harm.

I have been in several situations out of blind luck where many would think brandishing a firearm would be warranted, yet I have refrained. Ever had a gun drawn on you simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? It's not fun.. yet to this day I have never brandished my firearm in public, and I am still alive and healthy, and so is he. LAST line of defense.

To anyone thinking about firing a gun at a range: I highly recommend you take an NRA certified safety course. This will familiarize you with gun safety, gun operation, and shooting fundamentals. To anyone wishing to carry or use a gun for personal safety. I highly recommend you take a self defense course in addition to the aforementioned safety course.

 

[QUOTE=wdavis,Sep 29 2007, 10:17 PM] you didnt answer the question from my last post. Can you?

The responsibility necessary when owning firearms warrants people understanding the worst case scenario. Who in their right mind would want to kill someone?...but if some scum sucker wants to kill me for a night deposit, I