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Old Aug 13, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa,Aug 13 2006, 07:00 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he wreck because his tire picked up a deflector... not because he was riding like a total idiot? I personally woulda done the same thing as the OP, I have compassion for people and think the guy got screwed up enough. I'm not seeing where he was being a complete and total idiot if he wrecked because of the reflector. We've all done something stupid in a car at least once, I'm sure you would want someone to give you a break too if you had already had something horrific happen to you.
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This guy on a ZX9R picks me up getting on the freeway and drives around me and starts messin' with me. Gets to one side of me, then brakes and falls to the other side goading me....... then sits in front of me doing 65 in the fast lane for about 4 minutes. So I get tired of that action and move to my right to pass him. I pick it up to a about 75-80ish and he decides to cross the double yellow into the HOV. When he does this, he ramps up to about 90 and leans over hard to his left. I'm watching as his tire picks up on one of those speed bump reflecting thingy's...
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Old Aug 13, 2006 | 10:56 PM
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I definitely don't blame you for feeling some compassion for him. but as far as lying to the police being "the right thing to do"... that's way off base.
Frankly, I won't accede that I was wrong simply because I don't believe in absolutes, especially and most certainly not where the law is concerned. This isn't to say I don't believe in a need for laws........ rather, I don't remember mentioning that I felt it was the "right" thing to do. It was simply what I chose under the circumstances.

I think Herman Hesse best sums up my perception of "the law".............

"...each of us has to find out for himself what is permitted and what is forbidden - forbidden for him. It is possible for one never to transgress a single law and still be a bastard. And vice versa. Actually it's only a question of convenience. Those who are too lazy and comfortable to think for themselves and be their own judges obey the laws. Others sense their own laws within them; things are forbidden to them that every honorable man will do any day in the year and other things are allowed to them that are generally despised. Each person must stand on his own feet."
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Old Aug 13, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tritium_pie,Aug 13 2006, 09:22 PM
Please stand corrected.
eh.. I sorta read it right.. I'm still up at 2 am working so I'm a little out of it...
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by gottaride,Aug 13 2006, 10:56 PM
Frankly, I won't accede that I was wrong simply because I don't believe in absolutes, especially and most certainly not where the law is concerned. This isn't to say I don't believe in a need for laws........ rather, I don't remember mentioning that I felt it was the "right" thing to do. It was simply what I chose under the circumstances.

I think Herman Hesse best sums up my perception of "the law".............

"...each of us has to find out for himself what is permitted and what is forbidden - forbidden for him. It is possible for one never to transgress a single law and still be a bastard. And vice versa. Actually it's only a question of convenience. Those who are too lazy and comfortable to think for themselves and be their own judges obey the laws. Others sense their own laws within them; things are forbidden to them that every honorable man will do any day in the year and other things are allowed to them that are generally despised. Each person must stand on his own feet."
nonono... my statement was more in reply to remedyzrider, who stated that lying to the police was "the right thing to do."
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tritium_pie,Aug 13 2006, 09:19 AM
ok lemme get this straight, remedyzrider.

LYING to the cops is "the right thing to do"?

oh and about those consequences that seem to suddenly make "the right thing to do" is to suddenly owe this guy-- the guy who wiped out while threatening the peace and personal safety of those around him-- yes, this guy is OWED the courtesy of LIES ON HIS BEHALF??

did you miss the part about those consequences being entirely his own fault? did you miss the part about him driving dangerously and threatening the peace and personal safety of innocent drivers around him? and I highlight the word "innocent" because this guy definitely was anything but.

yeah, you're a reigning expert on ignorance remedyzrider. tell me all about it.

the rest of my earlier statement stands.
It's been said before... if his injuries are as severe as the OP said, then you have to think about whether or not he needs to be taught another lesson. It's not responsible to go through life thinking in black and white only; sometimes karma teaches people a lesson more effectively than a judge could. It's like giving money to a truly down-on-his-luck homeless guy, sitting in front of a store which has a "no loitering" policy. I'm not talking about the fakers standing on corners of intersections. Do you give the guy a couple bucks and get a heartfelt "thank you", or do you keep walking, tossing "get a job" back over your shoulder, and tell the cop down the street that there's a bum "loitering" in front of the store? The law may say take choice #2, but don't you think LIFE ITSELF has done a good enough job kicking this guy in the nuts?
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 07:06 AM
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[QUOTE=Will,Aug 14 2006, 06:17 AM] It's been said before... if his injuries are as severe as the OP said, then you have to think about whether or not he needs to be taught another lesson.
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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I say leave that judgement up to someone more qualified... namely, the Judge.

That statement would require an entirely new thread................
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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Actually, lying to the cops could put the OP in deep kimchee. There's a second vehicle involved, remember? The Explorer who got messed up by the tumbling bike. He goes to his insurance to file a claim with an attendant police report about the bike racing the sports car (who admittedly pushed the speed to 80ish).
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Old Aug 14, 2006 | 12:02 PM
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Wow this is a tough call but if it were left to me, I'd do what gottaride would do IF it were just me and the biker and no Explorer. I mean the rider, in my opinion, paid his price though not legally but physically and I can see all the supporters of the 'he will never learn' camp telling me I'm crazy but in my lifetime there have been plenty of people giving me breaks and if I can and doesn't involve others (Explorer), I would pass the breaks to others too.
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Old Aug 21, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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Big update.....California Highway Patrol calls me today to ask some more questions. Apparently, bubba had no license, (gee, what a surprise), no Insurance (no kidding? what are the chances of that?). He's got a broken back and they're not sure yet about the extent of his paralysis. He claims someone came from another lane and clipped his rear. Uh.........no. So I reiterated to the cop that it was a single bike accident and nobody was to blame but the unlicensed, uninsured squid. The funny thing is that the guy with the explorer told the Officers that he thought the kid had hit his car and been thrown from the bike, completely unaware he was hit by a riderless machine. I clarified that little misnomer and our business was done. So another squid bites the dust. The only good thing about the whole mess is that squidboy had no Insurance so the actuarials can't use this one to raise our rates. Small consolation at best.
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