Interesting stuff on Marijuana
A lot of my good friends are burn outs. In HS I was a burnout too but not really from herb (though it was the gateway). All my HS friends were burn outs. I went from a A+ honor student to someone who didn't graduate with his classmates and had to goto summer school and take a bunch of other programs outside of that to get credit to graduate. It is almost clearly addictive mentally since things are more fun when you are high. Eventually nothing is fun without being high and even when you're high it's not as fun. That's the problem with taking anything with excess or taking it on a regular basis. You get so used to it that you consider it normal and you need to get more buzzed to feel that much better.
I would never allow marijuana to go mainstream. I think alcohol is more than enough for society and people can't even control that.
I would never allow marijuana to go mainstream. I think alcohol is more than enough for society and people can't even control that.
Originally Posted by kane.s2k,Dec 2 2004, 12:38 AM
A lot of my good friends are burn outs. In HS I was a burnout too but not really from herb (though it was the gateway). All my HS friends were burn outs. I went from a A+ honor student to someone who didn't graduate with his classmates and had to goto summer school and take a bunch of other programs outside of that to get credit to graduate. It is almost clearly addictive mentally since things are more fun when you are high. Eventually nothing is fun without being high and even when you're high it's not as fun. That's the problem with taking anything with excess or taking it on a regular basis. You get so used to it that you consider it normal and you need to get more buzzed to feel that much better.
I would never allow marijuana to go mainstream. I think alcohol is more than enough for society and people can't even control that.
I would never allow marijuana to go mainstream. I think alcohol is more than enough for society and people can't even control that.
Originally Posted by autechre,Dec 1 2004, 08:17 PM
So what you're saying is, because you and your friends lack the ability to control yourselves, weed is evil and baaaad. Rock solid argument you got there stoner.
You really think u can? Just try and notice how different your life became after u started smoking. I noticed it within the first month I ever smoked. I compare the people who never smoked to the people who smoke occationally and the ones who smoke everyday. You can clearly see a difference in the way they act. It's not something I notice from seeing two or three of my friends. It's what I noticed after taking the time to watch over 50 people.
Originally Posted by kane.s2k,Dec 2 2004, 01:31 AM
You really think u can? Just try and notice how different your life became after u started smoking. I noticed it within the first month I ever smoked. I compare the people who never smoked to the people who smoke occationally and the ones who smoke everyday. You can clearly see a difference in the way they act. It's not something I notice from seeing two or three of my friends. It's what I noticed after taking the time to watch over 50 people.
Let's hear ur side of the proof then. I brought out mine and where I based my opinions from. Where do you get yours?
BTW, it's pretty clear it's not an anti-drug opinion. It's heavy usage and just effects it has even in infrequent use.
Also my habits weren't because I couldn't control myself. I just liked getting really really twisted. I still do when I drink.
BTW, it's pretty clear it's not an anti-drug opinion. It's heavy usage and just effects it has even in infrequent use.
Also my habits weren't because I couldn't control myself. I just liked getting really really twisted. I still do when I drink.
I think if people made less of a deal out of it then many of the problems would go away...I think people should be able to grow it and give it away legally.
Less crime and potheads who care enough to grow it can still be potheads
bulletproof plan....or maybe I just want better stuff in my garden than tomatoes (which are quite good I might add).....but seriously...if people grow their own plants (be it poppies, coca, mj, etc...) shouldnt they be able to use it themselves?
Less crime and potheads who care enough to grow it can still be potheads

bulletproof plan....or maybe I just want better stuff in my garden than tomatoes (which are quite good I might add).....but seriously...if people grow their own plants (be it poppies, coca, mj, etc...) shouldnt they be able to use it themselves?
what alot of you are forgetting is there are some people who are not happy in life, normally. Smoking pot or something on a regular basis helps them deal with the dissatisfaction they have with their lives. The long term health affects of smoking pot are much milder than the health issues associated with alcohol and tobacco. Smoking pot on weekends once in a while is no different than going to the bar, and far healthier in the long run than drinking and passing out every fri and sat.
As far as the whole "gateway drug," argument, it is based on a false premise. People who shoot heroin, snort coke, or smoke crack are obviously not going to be put off by the "health risks," associated with smoking pot, so there are obviously going to be a number of people who smoke pot and also like to do heroin, coke, or crack. In addition, since pot is illegal, in order to get it, you have to traffic with people who have incentive to "stock" harder drugs for their customers who have "varied" tastes. This means that a guy smoking pot might get introduced to heroin or coke at some point, in the same way that someone who drinks beer gets introduced to harder liquors. Not everyone who drinks beer sucks down vodka like it is going out of style, so it's not quite fair to say our heroin, coke, and crack abuse problems are caused by the presence of marijuana.
The biggest problem with long-term habitual pot use is the fact that your brain stops making some chemicals since they are already present from the pot. When you stop smoking every day, you tend to feel kind of crappy, and smoking a bowl feels good (obviously). The fact that people are not universally happy being sober should be glaringly obvious by now, and legislation isn't going to change that. Selling pot at the pharmacy or liquor store would at least establish some sort of control over quality, and eliminate the crimes associated with the distribution of marijuana in this country. If a heroin or coke addict could aquire their fix from their doctor instead of having to deal with real sketchy characters operating out of a dumpster, we'd have far fewer people in jail in this country. In addition, their addiction could be treated and their mental and physical health addressed.
Removing the need for a clandestine drug society by more active and humane control of mind-altering substances would allow addiction treatments to be more effective, since the user would not need to limit their social group to those who use simply to avoid prosecution for pursuing their addictions. When a coke user can indulge their addiction without the associated legal risks, the energy previously diverted to procurement and concealment can be applied to more productive endeavors. And all the money spent paying for drug enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment can be spent on health care and education to lessen the impact of addiction. Take distribution out of the hands of thugs, and being a thug has less payoff than the current system. Crimes will still be committed, but pharmacists and liquor store owners rarely, if ever, spend much time killing their local competitors. Adding a few new product lines to their shelves won't change that.
The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and a very large percentage of those in prison are there for non-violent drug offenses. Sad, if you ask me.
As far as the whole "gateway drug," argument, it is based on a false premise. People who shoot heroin, snort coke, or smoke crack are obviously not going to be put off by the "health risks," associated with smoking pot, so there are obviously going to be a number of people who smoke pot and also like to do heroin, coke, or crack. In addition, since pot is illegal, in order to get it, you have to traffic with people who have incentive to "stock" harder drugs for their customers who have "varied" tastes. This means that a guy smoking pot might get introduced to heroin or coke at some point, in the same way that someone who drinks beer gets introduced to harder liquors. Not everyone who drinks beer sucks down vodka like it is going out of style, so it's not quite fair to say our heroin, coke, and crack abuse problems are caused by the presence of marijuana.
The biggest problem with long-term habitual pot use is the fact that your brain stops making some chemicals since they are already present from the pot. When you stop smoking every day, you tend to feel kind of crappy, and smoking a bowl feels good (obviously). The fact that people are not universally happy being sober should be glaringly obvious by now, and legislation isn't going to change that. Selling pot at the pharmacy or liquor store would at least establish some sort of control over quality, and eliminate the crimes associated with the distribution of marijuana in this country. If a heroin or coke addict could aquire their fix from their doctor instead of having to deal with real sketchy characters operating out of a dumpster, we'd have far fewer people in jail in this country. In addition, their addiction could be treated and their mental and physical health addressed.
Removing the need for a clandestine drug society by more active and humane control of mind-altering substances would allow addiction treatments to be more effective, since the user would not need to limit their social group to those who use simply to avoid prosecution for pursuing their addictions. When a coke user can indulge their addiction without the associated legal risks, the energy previously diverted to procurement and concealment can be applied to more productive endeavors. And all the money spent paying for drug enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment can be spent on health care and education to lessen the impact of addiction. Take distribution out of the hands of thugs, and being a thug has less payoff than the current system. Crimes will still be committed, but pharmacists and liquor store owners rarely, if ever, spend much time killing their local competitors. Adding a few new product lines to their shelves won't change that.
The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and a very large percentage of those in prison are there for non-violent drug offenses. Sad, if you ask me.


