Interesting stuff on Marijuana
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I have only a few experiences with people who smoked, none of them positive, and here's what they are:
1) When I was 10, my dad picked up a woman on the side of the road waving for help. She had rolled over her truck in the middle of the night and just seemed to be plain out of it. After we dropped her off at the closest hospital, my dad told me the stench was mj and that she was probably pretty stoned.
2) In high school, one of my classmates started smoking. That year, he went from a 3.8 GPA student to a 2.3 GPA student (receiving all "Cs" except for an "A" in English- he could write really well when stoned). After seeing his grades drop for a year (and punished by his parents), he stopped smoking and received a 3.8 in his final semester.
3) In college, I met a really big smoker. He dropped out of the state university due to grades. He enrolled at the community college to bring his GPA up. Last I heard was that he was kicked out of the CC for grades as well, and spent his days just working and dealing.
Based on my experiences, I've seen nothing good coming from it. However, there may be some good medical uses, as one member has pointed out about OCD, so I'm still open about it in that way. I just wonder if he has tried one of the other drugs with a very similar active ingredient to see if it helps, as an alternative. I do agree, that no one should have to live with severe OCD if there is a reasonable solution.
[QUOTE=cyber_x,Dec 2 2004, 09:00 AM] A close friend of mine is the second biggest weed smoker I know, and just finished up medical school.
1) When I was 10, my dad picked up a woman on the side of the road waving for help. She had rolled over her truck in the middle of the night and just seemed to be plain out of it. After we dropped her off at the closest hospital, my dad told me the stench was mj and that she was probably pretty stoned.
2) In high school, one of my classmates started smoking. That year, he went from a 3.8 GPA student to a 2.3 GPA student (receiving all "Cs" except for an "A" in English- he could write really well when stoned). After seeing his grades drop for a year (and punished by his parents), he stopped smoking and received a 3.8 in his final semester.
3) In college, I met a really big smoker. He dropped out of the state university due to grades. He enrolled at the community college to bring his GPA up. Last I heard was that he was kicked out of the CC for grades as well, and spent his days just working and dealing.
Based on my experiences, I've seen nothing good coming from it. However, there may be some good medical uses, as one member has pointed out about OCD, so I'm still open about it in that way. I just wonder if he has tried one of the other drugs with a very similar active ingredient to see if it helps, as an alternative. I do agree, that no one should have to live with severe OCD if there is a reasonable solution.
[QUOTE=cyber_x,Dec 2 2004, 09:00 AM] A close friend of mine is the second biggest weed smoker I know, and just finished up medical school.
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Originally Posted by IrishS2k,Dec 2 2004, 02:47 PM
^ lol sounds to me like your friends are just total nut jobs? its funny how if someone is known to smoke marijauana and has a problem, thats the first thing people think causes the problem...bs government propaganda seems to persuade everyone that weed is like crack or heroin...FACT : Marijuana is not a physical addiction, it can turn into a mental addiction, but thats within the same lines as alcohol...if you don't understand what that means, its this" Crack and Heroin are physically addicting and you would actually be in pain, shaking, throwing up, sweating etc. if you cant get your next fix...if a pot head wants some weed and they cant get it,"its a total bummer dude."
Individual cases of people who cant control marijauana should deff not use it. I agree completely with that. If you take a look at alcohol for a second, theres people who drink responably and those who dont. Alcohol is a drug and is legal, and whether some of you believe it or not it does alot more damage then smokin pot ever will.
Within the next few years Marijauana will become legal for Medical use nation wide....it already is in many parts of our country. That will be the next step, and soon after should be legalized and regulated for personal use. Well thats what i hope anyway.
Why throw so many people in jail for smoking, its a waste of space. It shows how shitty our system really is when they get longer sentences then rapists and some times even murderers. Remember, Alocohol was looked at just like this many years ago. Its called Prohibition, and hopefully it can be lifted from its definition of such an illegal activity. Regulate and tax it. Use the taxes for the school systems or whatever. It would work.
On a lighter note check this out, these guys are great. http://www.marijuanalogues.com/videos/
Individual cases of people who cant control marijauana should deff not use it. I agree completely with that. If you take a look at alcohol for a second, theres people who drink responably and those who dont. Alcohol is a drug and is legal, and whether some of you believe it or not it does alot more damage then smokin pot ever will.
Within the next few years Marijauana will become legal for Medical use nation wide....it already is in many parts of our country. That will be the next step, and soon after should be legalized and regulated for personal use. Well thats what i hope anyway.
Why throw so many people in jail for smoking, its a waste of space. It shows how shitty our system really is when they get longer sentences then rapists and some times even murderers. Remember, Alocohol was looked at just like this many years ago. Its called Prohibition, and hopefully it can be lifted from its definition of such an illegal activity. Regulate and tax it. Use the taxes for the school systems or whatever. It would work.
On a lighter note check this out, these guys are great. http://www.marijuanalogues.com/videos/
you state that marijuana is not physically addicting and there are several problems with this; what is your criteria for physically addicting? are you aware that a few recent reports suggest that it may be physically addicting (although i will concede there is an equal or greater number of older reports saying the opposite...but then again we have heard time and time again that scientist are sure of something only to have them renege on their guarantee later) next it is well documented that on ceased marijuana usage, heavy (daily) users often suffer from anxiety problems, insomnia, irritability etc. would this satisfy your definition of physically addicting? if not what would?
next you say that the mental addiction is along the lines of alcohol addiction yet alcohol addiction is irrefutably physically addicting.
also, you refer to crack as apparently a very strong physical addiction yet it is not (though as a mental addiction it is worse than marijuana's mental addiction).
finally your opening paragraph implies that marijuana cannot cause problems but it can result in negative side effects (just as anything else) including extreme panic attacks, anxiety, and can cause appearance of latent psychological problems (such as the 52 year old man someone posted about...this isn't crockery its been shown to happen).
In response to the overall thread: it seems a large majority of posters feel that marijuana is justified because alcohol can cause problems (in some peoples opinoins more). How does one "bad" thing being legal support legalization of other bad things?
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Originally Posted by autechre,Dec 2 2004, 04:03 AM
My side of the PROOF? You sir, have provided no PROOF, only opinions based on bullshit and personal irresponsibility.
Besides, my objective wasn't to prove marijauna use is safe and fun for kids of all ages, but rather, for you to maybe understand that your argument is irrelevant to any other person but yourself.
There are many working, successful people in the world who enjoy responsible drug use. So maybe you should stop pointing your finger at mary jane and focus more on "twisted burnout" issues.
Besides, my objective wasn't to prove marijauna use is safe and fun for kids of all ages, but rather, for you to maybe understand that your argument is irrelevant to any other person but yourself.
There are many working, successful people in the world who enjoy responsible drug use. So maybe you should stop pointing your finger at mary jane and focus more on "twisted burnout" issues.
You state you had an objective in your post yet you say that you need no proof or evidence of any sort. You attack his empirical evidence by simply calling it "bullshit and personal irresponsibility."
Then you go on to make a claim very similar to his "bullshit" when you say "many successful people...enjoy responsible drug use" and while I wont deny this claim it is only that - a claim. You offer no empirics or evidence to support it so it holds less water than his examples.
What makes his obervations "bullshit" while your speculation will stand without evidence or proof?
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Originally Posted by Patdeisa,Dec 2 2004, 10:44 PM
That just seems scary to me- I don't care if everyone else thinks it's okay, but I don't want to be a patient under a doctor who does this (or is an alcoholic, for that matter).
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 2 2004, 06:53 PM
In response to the overall thread: it seems a large majority of posters feel that marijuana is justified because alcohol can cause problems (in some peoples opinoins more). How does one "bad" thing being legal support legalization of other bad things?
When I said I've observed people, I mean people I socialized with on a day to day basis. They weren't my all my "friends" per say but I did see them regularly and the change from freshman year to senior year was amazing. Some people stay smart and succeed but that doesn't mean they're still the same. A big problem for many was the depression when off the drugs even for one day. It is very mentally addictive over time.
Also, some people dont have the brain cells to lose which was the case with my neighbor. He's pretty much a vegetable now and he hardly smokes compared to the rest of his friends-- maybe once every other day for about 4 months now. He's not acting either...he's just gotten completely stupid. I don't know what happened to him but if you saw him, you'd be completely turned off to pot. He took 5 minutes staring at a piece of paper to figure out it said "Name" on it and he should write his name next to it.
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 2 2004, 10:53 PM
next it is well documented that on ceased marijuana usage, heavy (daily) users often suffer from anxiety problems, insomnia, irritability etc.
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 2 2004, 10:53 PM
In response to the overall thread: it seems a large majority of posters feel that marijuana is justified because alcohol can cause problems (in some peoples opinoins more). How does one "bad" thing being legal support legalization of other bad things?
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Originally Posted by kane.s2k,Dec 2 2004, 11:18 PM
I suffer from insomnia and I've never experienced previous to smoking.