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cyber x...when you said your the opposite does that mean that you quit being insomniatic when you started smoking?
I know a couple people who cant sleep now when they dont smoke...and a couple who couldnt sleep before and can now when they smoke (think I could get a script for insomnia?) ....but cant again when they stop...no fixing the problem permanently just temporary...but hey it works and personally I think its better than taking pills.
I know a couple people who cant sleep now when they dont smoke...and a couple who couldnt sleep before and can now when they smoke (think I could get a script for insomnia?) ....but cant again when they stop...no fixing the problem permanently just temporary...but hey it works and personally I think its better than taking pills.
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What i wrote was based on responsible marijauana use...for example, if someone smokes right when the wake up to the time they go to sleep i think its a problem...on the contrary if a person comes home after work and wants to use marijuana to relax i think theres no problem with that. It deffinitly isnt for everyone...ive met complete burnouts and the exact opposite(doctor, lawyer, etc) that smoke...The reason i brought up alcohol was the fact thats its not always the "drug" to cause negative effects on the person, its the person habits with that "drug"...you gotta be responsible, and if you cant you shouldnt touch pot nor alcohol for that matter...
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 3 2004, 03:38 AM
so you wanna ruin the alcohol industry too!!?!? when will you damn hippies stop 
of course your right.....but i dont think people should go around giving reasons to ban alcohol too...its already being maligned enough.
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of course your right.....but i dont think people should go around giving reasons to ban alcohol too...its already being maligned enough.
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corner In fact, I personally don't care for the banning of anything. Other folks can do whatever they want with their lives. That's none of my business. If what they do doesn't affect my life, then I'm not concerned with it. So, if someone wants to drink themselves into oblivion and die of liver failure, well, bon voyage!
Same goes for other drugs and activities.
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 3 2004, 03:41 AM
cyber x...when you said your the opposite does that mean that you quit being insomniatic when you started smoking?
), which causes all kinds of issues. In college, I often had trouble falling asleep due to anxiety, and would wake up to a couple of panic attacks a week, which sucked.Smoking weed brought my stress level way down, which improved my life in countless ways. With lower stress came less severe OCD. Marijuana allowed me to eat normally, which I couldn't previously do due to acid reflux. My sleeping patterns became much more normal (I now sleep whenever I desire and start each day bright and early at 6 AM) and I never had another panic attack after I "revved up" the toking.
Oh, and of course the bonus is that it's damn fun recreationally.I'm personally convinced that marijuana has great benefits to offer, and that one can continue being a normal member of society even while smoking weed heavily. But your mileage may vary, and I'm sure many others have difference experiences, which I certainly can't fault anyone for.
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Originally Posted by no_really,Dec 1 2004, 09:35 PM
what alot of you are forgetting is there are some people who are not happy in life, normally. Smoking pot or something on a regular basis helps them deal with the dissatisfaction they have with their lives. The long term health affects of smoking pot are much milder than the health issues associated with alcohol and tobacco. Smoking pot on weekends once in a while is no different than going to the bar, and far healthier in the long run than drinking and passing out every fri and sat.
As far as the whole "gateway drug," argument, it is based on a false premise. People who shoot heroin, snort coke, or smoke crack are obviously not going to be put off by the "health risks," associated with smoking pot, so there are obviously going to be a number of people who smoke pot and also like to do heroin, coke, or crack. In addition, since pot is illegal, in order to get it, you have to traffic with people who have incentive to "stock" harder drugs for their customers who have "varied" tastes. This means that a guy smoking pot might get introduced to heroin or coke at some point, in the same way that someone who drinks beer gets introduced to harder liquors. Not everyone who drinks beer sucks down vodka like it is going out of style, so it's not quite fair to say our heroin, coke, and crack abuse problems are caused by the presence of marijuana.
The biggest problem with long-term habitual pot use is the fact that your brain stops making some chemicals since they are already present from the pot. When you stop smoking every day, you tend to feel kind of crappy, and smoking a bowl feels good (obviously). The fact that people are not universally happy being sober should be glaringly obvious by now, and legislatiopn isn't going to change that. Selling pot at the pharmacy or liquor store would at least establish some sort of control over quality, and eliminate the crimes associated with the distribution of marijuana in this country. If a heroin or coke addict could aquire their fix from their doctor instead of having to deal with real sketchy characters operating out of a dumpster, we'd have far fewer people in jail in this country. In addition, their addiction could be treated and their mental and physical health addressed.
Removing the need for a clandestine drug society by more active and humane control of mind-altering substances would allow addiction treatments to be more effective, since the user would not need to limit their social group to those who use simply to avoid prosecution for pursuing their addictions. When a coke user can indulge their addiction without the associated legal risks, the energy previously diverted to procurement and concealment can be applied to more productive endeavors. And all the money spent paying for drug enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment can be spent on health care and education to lessen the impact of addiction. Take distribution out of the hands of thugs, and being a thug has less payoff than the current system. Crimes will still be committed, but pharmacists and liquor store owners rarely, if ever, spend much time killing their local competitors. Adding a few new product lines to their shelves won't change that.
The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and a very large percentage of those in prison are there for non-violent drug offenses. Sad, if you ask me.
As far as the whole "gateway drug," argument, it is based on a false premise. People who shoot heroin, snort coke, or smoke crack are obviously not going to be put off by the "health risks," associated with smoking pot, so there are obviously going to be a number of people who smoke pot and also like to do heroin, coke, or crack. In addition, since pot is illegal, in order to get it, you have to traffic with people who have incentive to "stock" harder drugs for their customers who have "varied" tastes. This means that a guy smoking pot might get introduced to heroin or coke at some point, in the same way that someone who drinks beer gets introduced to harder liquors. Not everyone who drinks beer sucks down vodka like it is going out of style, so it's not quite fair to say our heroin, coke, and crack abuse problems are caused by the presence of marijuana.
The biggest problem with long-term habitual pot use is the fact that your brain stops making some chemicals since they are already present from the pot. When you stop smoking every day, you tend to feel kind of crappy, and smoking a bowl feels good (obviously). The fact that people are not universally happy being sober should be glaringly obvious by now, and legislatiopn isn't going to change that. Selling pot at the pharmacy or liquor store would at least establish some sort of control over quality, and eliminate the crimes associated with the distribution of marijuana in this country. If a heroin or coke addict could aquire their fix from their doctor instead of having to deal with real sketchy characters operating out of a dumpster, we'd have far fewer people in jail in this country. In addition, their addiction could be treated and their mental and physical health addressed.
Removing the need for a clandestine drug society by more active and humane control of mind-altering substances would allow addiction treatments to be more effective, since the user would not need to limit their social group to those who use simply to avoid prosecution for pursuing their addictions. When a coke user can indulge their addiction without the associated legal risks, the energy previously diverted to procurement and concealment can be applied to more productive endeavors. And all the money spent paying for drug enforcement, prosecution, and imprisonment can be spent on health care and education to lessen the impact of addiction. Take distribution out of the hands of thugs, and being a thug has less payoff than the current system. Crimes will still be committed, but pharmacists and liquor store owners rarely, if ever, spend much time killing their local competitors. Adding a few new product lines to their shelves won't change that.
The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world, and a very large percentage of those in prison are there for non-violent drug offenses. Sad, if you ask me.
Could not have said it any better
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The point of legalizing any drug is to eliminate the money wasted asscociated with the illegal subculture...
when something is illegal, money flows fund crime syndicates.
underground unregulated drug cartels spring up
unregulated infrastructures are efficiently created to circumvent the antidrug laws
On the government front
Money is wasted
on failed tough on drugs wars...
more prisons to house drug offenders
more police to enforce drug laws
more laws that are constantly being broken so that respect for the law is challenged...
Billions on both sides of the fence wasted.
Legalization provides,
Taxation, regulation, treatment, eliminates the crime side of the equation, fosters respect for the law.
when something is illegal, money flows fund crime syndicates.
underground unregulated drug cartels spring up
unregulated infrastructures are efficiently created to circumvent the antidrug laws
On the government front
Money is wasted
on failed tough on drugs wars...
more prisons to house drug offenders
more police to enforce drug laws
more laws that are constantly being broken so that respect for the law is challenged...
Billions on both sides of the fence wasted.
Legalization provides,
Taxation, regulation, treatment, eliminates the crime side of the equation, fosters respect for the law.
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Originally Posted by JustAyoungMC,Dec 2 2004, 11:00 PM
You state you had an objective in your post yet you say that you need no proof or evidence of any sort. You attack his empirical evidence by simply calling it "bullshit and personal irresponsibility."
Then you go on to make a claim very similar to his "bullshit" when you say "many successful people...enjoy responsible drug use" and while I wont deny this claim it is only that - a claim. You offer no empirics or evidence to support it so it holds less water than his examples.
What makes his obervations "bullshit" while your speculation will stand without evidence or proof?
ing retard not to already accept that as true. My point is his argument is illogical. You don't need empirical data to back that up, just common sense.
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