Lion Owns Hunter! YES!
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Originally Posted by no_really,Dec 19 2006, 09:45 AM
I'm certainly not going to defend Mr. WFO, but let's be realistic. If humans were unable to do the things they can do, yeah, they wouldn't have lasted very long. If lions didn't have thier teeth and claws, they would die rather quickly as well.
How long would you last yourself, dropped into a wilderness with nothing but the clothes on your back?
Judging what those shooters did, right or wrong, requires more information than was contained in that short video. And calling them "hunters," and using that video to make any kind of point about hunters in general is amazingly ignorant and probably best described as "stupid."
For those who've never really hunted any large animal before, the idea of a "one shot kill" is pretty much not going to happen very often. Wild animals are resilient creatures, and will keep on running or charging after crippling wounds. Sure, you can stand 1/4 mile away and take down an elk or wild sheep with a powerful rifle, powerful scope, a tripod, and most importantly a well-placed shot. Some call that hunting, some call it not very fun, or "cheating." However, you typically walk all day long, up and down mountains and steep hillsides, for one shot all week.
You can know your prey, know your territory, and make every effort to position yourself along a game trail, positioned out of sight of the prey, and ideally, downwind. Then you wait for an animal to walk down the trail. This is commonly considered the best way to not use your weapon lol. Animals don't tend to go blindly running down the same track multiple times a day. If spooked, they really don't tend to run downwind.
Some people identify the terrain features that are most likely to harbor game, and after posting a shooter or two at strategic vantage points, proceed to "drive," or walk through the area. Of course, this "terrain feature" typically is a very dense thicket, often swampy, and is certainly not easy going. Occasionally one has the opportunity to drive a farm field with standing crops. This can work, but again, hardly the easiest, and as farm fields are often on the large side, and animals can easily escape, even without being seen. Game animals aren't dumb. They are far better equipped to survive in their environment than humans, and know damn well how to evade hunters. But even they make mistakes.
The idea that "hunting" is somehow a one-sided affair giving the armed human all the advantages is based on ignorance and fantasy. It certainly isn't easy, it certainly isn't a sport for the bloodthirsty and impatient, and it breeds appreciation, respect, and understanding of nature. It is a tradition as old as humanity, and as necessary as farming. It is every much a "natural" way for an animal to die as having its neck broken by a tiger or its throat choked by a lion.
Watching that video, one should be able to see that even a group of well-armed humans are barely a match for the lion. That wasn't much for hunting, and I would not be too proud if I was one of those shooters, but the end of the video showed how humans behave when they've narrowly escaped a grisly death at the hands of their prey. That video could easily be showing a group of people who paid quite a bit of money to help a village eliminate a lion that preyed on livestock and threatened the village. The fencing shown would no sooner stop a lion than a screen door. It might have been penned in, but most likely because that's where it killed its last meal. Hence, the death sentence.
How long would you last yourself, dropped into a wilderness with nothing but the clothes on your back?
Judging what those shooters did, right or wrong, requires more information than was contained in that short video. And calling them "hunters," and using that video to make any kind of point about hunters in general is amazingly ignorant and probably best described as "stupid."
For those who've never really hunted any large animal before, the idea of a "one shot kill" is pretty much not going to happen very often. Wild animals are resilient creatures, and will keep on running or charging after crippling wounds. Sure, you can stand 1/4 mile away and take down an elk or wild sheep with a powerful rifle, powerful scope, a tripod, and most importantly a well-placed shot. Some call that hunting, some call it not very fun, or "cheating." However, you typically walk all day long, up and down mountains and steep hillsides, for one shot all week.
You can know your prey, know your territory, and make every effort to position yourself along a game trail, positioned out of sight of the prey, and ideally, downwind. Then you wait for an animal to walk down the trail. This is commonly considered the best way to not use your weapon lol. Animals don't tend to go blindly running down the same track multiple times a day. If spooked, they really don't tend to run downwind.
Some people identify the terrain features that are most likely to harbor game, and after posting a shooter or two at strategic vantage points, proceed to "drive," or walk through the area. Of course, this "terrain feature" typically is a very dense thicket, often swampy, and is certainly not easy going. Occasionally one has the opportunity to drive a farm field with standing crops. This can work, but again, hardly the easiest, and as farm fields are often on the large side, and animals can easily escape, even without being seen. Game animals aren't dumb. They are far better equipped to survive in their environment than humans, and know damn well how to evade hunters. But even they make mistakes.
The idea that "hunting" is somehow a one-sided affair giving the armed human all the advantages is based on ignorance and fantasy. It certainly isn't easy, it certainly isn't a sport for the bloodthirsty and impatient, and it breeds appreciation, respect, and understanding of nature. It is a tradition as old as humanity, and as necessary as farming. It is every much a "natural" way for an animal to die as having its neck broken by a tiger or its throat choked by a lion.
Watching that video, one should be able to see that even a group of well-armed humans are barely a match for the lion. That wasn't much for hunting, and I would not be too proud if I was one of those shooters, but the end of the video showed how humans behave when they've narrowly escaped a grisly death at the hands of their prey. That video could easily be showing a group of people who paid quite a bit of money to help a village eliminate a lion that preyed on livestock and threatened the village. The fencing shown would no sooner stop a lion than a screen door. It might have been penned in, but most likely because that's where it killed its last meal. Hence, the death sentence.
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Originally Posted by BPUKiller,Dec 20 2006, 01:01 AM
I like the version of hunting I see on TV. Once I seen these guys hide in a fricken tent up in a tree all day waiting for dear to walk by an automatic feeder they set up some days ago. When one came by the great white hunters took aim and killed the dear. Mind aswell shoot at stationary targets if you call that hunting.
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If people are going to insist on increasing in number and driving out predators, they have to take responsibility for managing the wildlife. While I would not choose to sit in a stand all day overlooking a feeding station I can't argue that it isn't neccessary to control the deer population. And keep in mind that hunting shows typically highlight different types of hunting in different areas. Watching one show isn't a good way to judge a sport, or even a particular method. They typically exercise resources that are not available to the average hunter, and their need to show a successful hunt often means they hunt on private game farms where practices that are not generally accepted are considered reasonable.
Many game farms use caged birds that are released on signal so hunters are guaranteed a chance to shoot at birds in flight close enough to bag a few. This practice is not considered sporting by many, but lots of people pay money every year to hunt on a game farm, if only to practice for the real thing. The caged birds are raised for the harvest, so even if it isn't strictly sporting, I'm not sure it is a whole lot more evil than raising chickens.
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Originally Posted by WFO Racer,Dec 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Not sure where your from but we hunt deer in the mountains of SoCal (D11). One of the hardest areas to hunt in my area. Usually involves many days of stalking, many miles of walking to find your prey. We just did a bow hunt, got lucky on the fourth day, one shot one kill. The f'en walk to bring up the carcass still fresh in my memory.
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Originally Posted by WFO Racer,Dec 20 2006, 02:16 AM
Was anybody talking to you 
Go cook some curry, are you still plssed from the other thread?
How will I enjoy my Christmas knowing how do don't approve of my posts.
Go cook some curry, are you still plssed from the other thread?
How will I enjoy my Christmas knowing how do don't approve of my posts.
Hmm...seeing how this is a PUBLIC FORUM, yeah you were talking to me...tool.
Ahahah....you're a troll.
Was the curry thing meant to offend? Didn't work fag. Hey...go cook some peace doves...oooooh....hissssss....Get back to class, mommy and daddy aren't paying your tuition to troll the net.
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Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Dec 19 2006, 08:56 AM
Hunting for food is one thing. last time I checked Lion was not on the usual list as food chain items. Trophy hunters suck ass, end of story.
This is not about how food gets to your table. Animals raised for the express purpose of eating is completely different. Lets raise a few million lions and start eating them as part of our diets and everything will be cool.
Until then, this activity is horrid. Want to go out and kill trophy animals and be considered badass???, do this:
Dont bathe for about two weeks, put on a loin cloth and arm yourself with a bowie knife. Then go out and stalk your trophy just like they would do to you. Jump on their back and take that animal down. Only then are you playing on a level field and, IMHO a badass deserving of your stuffed Lion trophy. Until you do something like that, you are a coward and idiot in my book.
Those guys should have been shredded.
This is not about how food gets to your table. Animals raised for the express purpose of eating is completely different. Lets raise a few million lions and start eating them as part of our diets and everything will be cool.
Until then, this activity is horrid. Want to go out and kill trophy animals and be considered badass???, do this:
Dont bathe for about two weeks, put on a loin cloth and arm yourself with a bowie knife. Then go out and stalk your trophy just like they would do to you. Jump on their back and take that animal down. Only then are you playing on a level field and, IMHO a badass deserving of your stuffed Lion trophy. Until you do something like that, you are a coward and idiot in my book.
Those guys should have been shredded.
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regardless, I refuse to believe you read what I wrote and could only come back with "Last time I checked there were no rules on how you hunt.".
I am not telling you how to hunt. I am listing how you should hunt if you want to play on a level field with your prey. My points are simple. any point you have to make concerning hunting a trophy animal would be circular arguing.
regardless, I refuse to believe you read what I wrote and could only come back with "Last time I checked there were no rules on how you hunt.".
I am not telling you how to hunt. I am listing how you should hunt if you want to play on a level field with your prey. My points are simple. any point you have to make concerning hunting a trophy animal would be circular arguing.