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From: Sun★Works
Originally Posted by jasonw,Dec 20 2006, 02:43 PM
1. The Vice President is not allowed to shoot people in the face with a shotgun.
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"It certainly isn't easy, it certainly isn't a sport for the bloodthirsty and impatient, and it breeds appreciation, respect, and understanding of nature."
I am sure we all appreciate, respect and understand many things. I would go even further and say of those things we appreciate, respect, and understand very few if any of us kill or harm any of them.
SO basically....
I am sure we all appreciate, respect and understand many things. I would go even further and say of those things we appreciate, respect, and understand very few if any of us kill or harm any of them.
SO basically....
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Originally Posted by no_really,Dec 20 2006, 06:13 AM
I think it is important to realize that some areas, like parts of Texas in particular, baiting is legal. The land is so wide open that you'd never see a deer, and deer would have no reason to come anywhere near a hunter, if there wasn't feed. The problem is that unchecked, the deer population would grow uncontrollably, resulting in mass starvation, increased roadkill (which harms more than just the deer, people can easily die in car-deer collisions), and nuisance populations in areas where hunting is not much of an option (populated areas).
If people are going to insist on increasing in number and driving out predators, they have to take responsibility for managing the wildlife. While I would not choose to sit in a stand all day overlooking a feeding station I can't argue that it isn't neccessary to control the deer population. And keep in mind that hunting shows typically highlight different types of hunting in different areas. Watching one show isn't a good way to judge a sport, or even a particular method. They typically exercise resources that are not available to the average hunter, and their need to show a successful hunt often means they hunt on private game farms where practices that are not generally accepted are considered reasonable.
Many game farms use caged birds that are released on signal so hunters are guaranteed a chance to shoot at birds in flight close enough to bag a few. This practice is not considered sporting by many, but lots of people pay money every year to hunt on a game farm, if only to practice for the real thing. The caged birds are raised for the harvest, so even if it isn't strictly sporting, I'm not sure it is a whole lot more evil than raising chickens.
If people are going to insist on increasing in number and driving out predators, they have to take responsibility for managing the wildlife. While I would not choose to sit in a stand all day overlooking a feeding station I can't argue that it isn't neccessary to control the deer population. And keep in mind that hunting shows typically highlight different types of hunting in different areas. Watching one show isn't a good way to judge a sport, or even a particular method. They typically exercise resources that are not available to the average hunter, and their need to show a successful hunt often means they hunt on private game farms where practices that are not generally accepted are considered reasonable.
Many game farms use caged birds that are released on signal so hunters are guaranteed a chance to shoot at birds in flight close enough to bag a few. This practice is not considered sporting by many, but lots of people pay money every year to hunt on a game farm, if only to practice for the real thing. The caged birds are raised for the harvest, so even if it isn't strictly sporting, I'm not sure it is a whole lot more evil than raising chickens.
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what you are talking about usually happens after the deer is shot. Not many people atempt to track deer cold. Where I hunt, we flush them out of cover for a shot when they are on the run. It's hard, hard work. To people who choose to sit in a stand all day, it's caled "working your ass off." The success rate is variable, but usually higher than sitting in a stand. You have a hard time hitting a target at any range after slogging through a dense willow or aspen swamp, what with your heart going 1000 times a minute from the exertion, and the deer is jumping and zigzaging all over hell. That's why you usually have a person or two on stand, waiting for them to come out of cover. Even if it is running straight, deer bound, they don't gallop along level. If anyone has an advantage, it is the deer. A gun doesn't even come close to making it even.
The thing about hunting in open spaces like parts of Texas is that deer cross roads into traffic, even if they spread out over a large area. There isn't a lot of cover, and not a lot of places a deer couldn't see you from far off. So in order to control the population, it is necessary to allow hunting practices that would be considered far from sporting anywhere else. Inn population centers when there is a deer problem, they usually hire shooters to use bait to attract deer under a stand in a wooded area, then shoot them with a .22. They do this to minimize the danger to the community. This is commonly considered not much of a job by most hunters, and certainly not something to brag about, even if it requires sitting relatively motionless for 8 to 10 hours at a stretch.
Hunters bicker about what methods are "fair," and what form or style of hunting is better than another, morally. The bottom line is that there are multiple ways to take game, and some are more apealing to some people than others. And sometimes, people hunt the way they have to.
I personally think sniping a deer before it even knows what's going on is not very sporting. Some people think that is the most humane. I see "humane" as giving the animal a fighting chance, pitting the strategy, abilities, and experience of my small group against the instincts and experience of the deer. We usually lose, which is what engenders respect for the animal.
We eat what we kill, and I really don't know anyone who doesn't. Most people don't hunt because they like killing things, any more than people fish because they like killing fish. I tend to think the deer had a better life than the cow who's steak you eat, simply because the deer was allowed to live out its life in the wild, living as nature intended. I'm doing my part in nature by culling the herd.
Sure, I could sit home and pass judgement on people without ever knowing what they experience, pretending my life is superior because I don't take part in an age-old tradition. But if I did so, I wouldn't be outside, watching the sun rise, seeing the frost on the grass sparkle in the dawn, hearing the cows lowing, birds calling, seeing foxes and rabbits, seeing signs of unseen animals, finding their bones, stepping in their burrows
, following the soaring of a hawks and eagles, watching the sun set and the light tricking down over the horizon, all day without stepping foot indoors. Experiencing the weather, good or bad. Knowing how wild animals live, experiencing a small part of what must be a hard-scrabble existence in what is a cruel world most times. Life has many forms, but you can't experience more than a very narrow portion of that sitting indoors watching TV or passing judgement on an internet forum.
The thing about hunting in open spaces like parts of Texas is that deer cross roads into traffic, even if they spread out over a large area. There isn't a lot of cover, and not a lot of places a deer couldn't see you from far off. So in order to control the population, it is necessary to allow hunting practices that would be considered far from sporting anywhere else. Inn population centers when there is a deer problem, they usually hire shooters to use bait to attract deer under a stand in a wooded area, then shoot them with a .22. They do this to minimize the danger to the community. This is commonly considered not much of a job by most hunters, and certainly not something to brag about, even if it requires sitting relatively motionless for 8 to 10 hours at a stretch.
Hunters bicker about what methods are "fair," and what form or style of hunting is better than another, morally. The bottom line is that there are multiple ways to take game, and some are more apealing to some people than others. And sometimes, people hunt the way they have to.
I personally think sniping a deer before it even knows what's going on is not very sporting. Some people think that is the most humane. I see "humane" as giving the animal a fighting chance, pitting the strategy, abilities, and experience of my small group against the instincts and experience of the deer. We usually lose, which is what engenders respect for the animal.
We eat what we kill, and I really don't know anyone who doesn't. Most people don't hunt because they like killing things, any more than people fish because they like killing fish. I tend to think the deer had a better life than the cow who's steak you eat, simply because the deer was allowed to live out its life in the wild, living as nature intended. I'm doing my part in nature by culling the herd.
Sure, I could sit home and pass judgement on people without ever knowing what they experience, pretending my life is superior because I don't take part in an age-old tradition. But if I did so, I wouldn't be outside, watching the sun rise, seeing the frost on the grass sparkle in the dawn, hearing the cows lowing, birds calling, seeing foxes and rabbits, seeing signs of unseen animals, finding their bones, stepping in their burrows
, following the soaring of a hawks and eagles, watching the sun set and the light tricking down over the horizon, all day without stepping foot indoors. Experiencing the weather, good or bad. Knowing how wild animals live, experiencing a small part of what must be a hard-scrabble existence in what is a cruel world most times. Life has many forms, but you can't experience more than a very narrow portion of that sitting indoors watching TV or passing judgement on an internet forum.
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See, what you are describing makes sense. Hunting for food and depopulating a species that is out of control in a developed area seems much more logical than going out and shooting an endangered trophy animal like a lion or polar bear.
Like most things in life, there are ways to do something and ways not to.
Like most things in life, there are ways to do something and ways not to.
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