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Originally Posted by Vik2000,Nov 2 2007, 02:22 PM
Give me a break... what the fck is with you and your cambridge. One may be smart and knowledgeable in what he studies but that has nothing to do with his mind. I'm saying it's ridiculous of him to say humans can live 1000 years. You can now continue with your scientific proof and shits.
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Originally Posted by stockae92,Nov 2 2007, 02:08 PM
you are talking about what we could do with foreign objects to our body (cars, phone, moonpod, etc)
but the body to live longer, we have to reverse or slow down the aging of our body. and once its stop regenerating/growing, there isn't much we can do about it
maybe the mind can live forever (ghost in the shell?), but the body may come to one point that it just won't be able to sustain life anymore
but the body to live longer, we have to reverse or slow down the aging of our body. and once its stop regenerating/growing, there isn't much we can do about it
maybe the mind can live forever (ghost in the shell?), but the body may come to one point that it just won't be able to sustain life anymore
We age because the process of building new cells is outpaced by the rate of cellular death. We haven't been able to do much about it because our understanding of the process of aging has been limited. But since manipulation of genetic material have become possible, scientists who are not limited by convention have been able to create strains of super-long life organisms (nematode worms, fruit flies, and recently mice).
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Originally Posted by C U AT 9K,Nov 2 2007, 02:07 PM
That is because metal will always be metal. Bridges will always be bridges. Electricity will always be, electricity. HOWEVER, every single human on the planet is different. Each of our bodies is different. Take that difference, and take it to the nth degree, and you have the difference between each of our minds.
There have been NO new antibiotics for decades now because bacteria change. Viruses are constantly changing. It is not like building a bridge or a computer, where you just make the product cheaper to make, or smaller. There is PLENTY of radical thought in biology and chemistry, the only problems arise when people decide they are 1. not worth it or 2. against their beliefs.
Not to sound like an asshole, but engineering is kind of dull and repetitive in the eyes of medicine/biochemistry... It's like, you can build a bridge as tall as you want, but you can't stop the influenza virus from constantly mutating it's genetic information. All we really can do is learn how the virus is recognized by our bodies, and assume that giving your immune system a "head start" (flu shot) in creating antibodies and keeping the memory of the virus fresh, will help should you be infected with the influenza strain going around that particular season. By all means, if you'd like to help out in the field, hop on. It's a lot of hard work though.
Road's aren't ALIVE. An iPod is just manipulation of electrons on the smallest level, but it is still man-made and once HUMAN technology advances to a certain point, anything at that level is possible. We cannot, however, manipulate life to the extent that we could cure every disease, solve every psych problem...
You can create a spaceship with enough power, fuel, and lead to get an astronaut into space safely, that's easy and many countries have done this. But stopping something you can't see? Changing life to work the way you want it to? That's a bit harder... Not only because of the knowledge will still do not have, but because there will always be someone saying we shouldn't because it does not agree with their morals.
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There have been NO new antibiotics for decades now because bacteria change. Viruses are constantly changing. It is not like building a bridge or a computer, where you just make the product cheaper to make, or smaller. There is PLENTY of radical thought in biology and chemistry, the only problems arise when people decide they are 1. not worth it or 2. against their beliefs.
Not to sound like an asshole, but engineering is kind of dull and repetitive in the eyes of medicine/biochemistry... It's like, you can build a bridge as tall as you want, but you can't stop the influenza virus from constantly mutating it's genetic information. All we really can do is learn how the virus is recognized by our bodies, and assume that giving your immune system a "head start" (flu shot) in creating antibodies and keeping the memory of the virus fresh, will help should you be infected with the influenza strain going around that particular season. By all means, if you'd like to help out in the field, hop on. It's a lot of hard work though.
Road's aren't ALIVE. An iPod is just manipulation of electrons on the smallest level, but it is still man-made and once HUMAN technology advances to a certain point, anything at that level is possible. We cannot, however, manipulate life to the extent that we could cure every disease, solve every psych problem...
You can create a spaceship with enough power, fuel, and lead to get an astronaut into space safely, that's easy and many countries have done this. But stopping something you can't see? Changing life to work the way you want it to? That's a bit harder... Not only because of the knowledge will still do not have, but because there will always be someone saying we shouldn't because it does not agree with their morals.
Thank about it...
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Originally Posted by C U AT 9K,Nov 2 2007, 02:09 PM
DNA people, DNA. Completely different from technology. Completely.
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Having a cousin that is deep into stem cell research concentrating on regenerating neurons, it is entirely possible to live "forever".....
However, your body cannot do it on its own.
You *can*, like a clutch, change all your organs when they are worn out....when synthetic organs are fully developed. The ONLY hinderance would be your brain. You can definetely be kept "alive" but without brain activity, you would be a vessel. Until there is a successful brain transplant, I am going to agree that it is practically impossible to live 1000 years as we know life, but it is entirely possible to "keep beating" for a very long time.
However, your body cannot do it on its own.
You *can*, like a clutch, change all your organs when they are worn out....when synthetic organs are fully developed. The ONLY hinderance would be your brain. You can definetely be kept "alive" but without brain activity, you would be a vessel. Until there is a successful brain transplant, I am going to agree that it is practically impossible to live 1000 years as we know life, but it is entirely possible to "keep beating" for a very long time.
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Originally Posted by C U AT 9K,Nov 2 2007, 06:40 PM
Here's the problem... you go from talking about DNA, to talking about computers. It doesn't matter how FAST or how COMPLEX you do a math equation, or solve an algorithm, or whatever. You can't just fiddle around with DNA like you fiddle around with a soldering iron...
Computer chips don't change randomly. They are specifically coded by humans to work a specific way. If something goes wrong, the computer breaks down. It freezes. People send viruses that fry your hard drive. Sucks, but what else can you do besides clean up your hard drive, or buy a new one. Wow, computer's fixed! You can't UNfix a smallpox epidemic... There is no restart button with cancer. I could keep going.
IDK why you are arguing over semantics and the word "technology". Working in a genetic engineering lab, I would assume you'd understand the VAST difference between coding a computer program and coding genetic information. If you mess up something on a computer, the screen goes blank, or, simply, nothing happens. You mess up something in DNA, just 1 base pair, and you've got cancer, hypo/hyper-effects, killer bacteria, or whatever.
Get my (genetic) drift? Probably not.
P.S. - There is no doubt that humans have advanced to extreme levels in the field of science and engineering. One could say that viruses and bacteria which cause disease are ways of controlling human populations (simply put, it's nature), but we've managed to overcome many obstacles. I am thankful for that, because I really don't want to die because some freakish thing that I can't see is taking over my body, or because some of my DNA polymerases screwed up... But living to 1000 years? It's simply not in the human code... There are some creatures that can live for 200+ years... Some plants for thousands and thousands... but humans.. no way. If, by some miracle, it were to happen one day, I think the world would end, because what would God have to say about that??? And when I say God I mean the people on Earth obsessed with him/her/it...
Computer chips don't change randomly. They are specifically coded by humans to work a specific way. If something goes wrong, the computer breaks down. It freezes. People send viruses that fry your hard drive. Sucks, but what else can you do besides clean up your hard drive, or buy a new one. Wow, computer's fixed! You can't UNfix a smallpox epidemic... There is no restart button with cancer. I could keep going.
IDK why you are arguing over semantics and the word "technology". Working in a genetic engineering lab, I would assume you'd understand the VAST difference between coding a computer program and coding genetic information. If you mess up something on a computer, the screen goes blank, or, simply, nothing happens. You mess up something in DNA, just 1 base pair, and you've got cancer, hypo/hyper-effects, killer bacteria, or whatever.
Get my (genetic) drift? Probably not.
P.S. - There is no doubt that humans have advanced to extreme levels in the field of science and engineering. One could say that viruses and bacteria which cause disease are ways of controlling human populations (simply put, it's nature), but we've managed to overcome many obstacles. I am thankful for that, because I really don't want to die because some freakish thing that I can't see is taking over my body, or because some of my DNA polymerases screwed up... But living to 1000 years? It's simply not in the human code... There are some creatures that can live for 200+ years... Some plants for thousands and thousands... but humans.. no way. If, by some miracle, it were to happen one day, I think the world would end, because what would God have to say about that??? And when I say God I mean the people on Earth obsessed with him/her/it...
I don't understand your whole "Alive" thing. Just because an organism is alive doesn't mean its genes are constantly changing. On average 4 errors will be made each time a cell replicates, and there's a very small chance the mutation occurs on a gene. The genes you are born with are the genes you die with. So theoretically, if a beneficial change is made to a cell, all of its future descendents will have the exact same DNA. That's why we're able to create glow in the dark fishes and hypoallergic cats.
I am not arguing over semantics. You plainly stated: "DNA people, DNA. Completely different from technology. Completely." I did work in a BIOTECHNOLOGY lab as a GENETIC ENGINEER. How is that not technology?
I'm guessing you're a college kid taking a biology class in school? You're asking a genetic engineer if he gets your pun about genetic drift?
You started out making some pretty good points. Please don't turn this personal.