Originally Posted by s2kpdx01,Sep 5 2005, 10:11 AM

Oh ,silly me I thought it was the massive hurricane and flooding. Give me a break. In a situation like this people are going to die. Food and fresh water will be hard to come by. The fact is you know nothing of the details of what FEMA is or isn't doing. Are you privileged to any info that says this or that was mishandled? NO. You are completely in the dark and drawing conclusions from some pretty silly source I would guess.
As far as the Iraq war making this worse, come on man. You seem like reasonably intelligent human being, show me the tech on that. Don't say, our troops are there and we could use them here. You have already said the number of looters are low, so the amount of military presence we need is small. Show me the numbers where we are so low on money, because of the war, we can't afford the cleanup. You do realize Qatar is giving us $100 million right?

Groos over-simplifications like this:


show an agenda to make a people look bad and nothing else. You can't possibly know what it would take to restore order to New orelans or rescue over 100k people, many of who didn't want to leave and some who still don't.


The "Great Escape" plan formulated by the brain trust in LA and New Orleans:




So the Governor and Mayor had a plan a year ago that can be summed up in one word, "RUN." In her defense, the Govenor, she said that wasn't a very good plan, but then did nothing in the year to come to make a better one. I know it's because Bush cut the funding. Cause was all know it sure costs a lot of plan. See exhibt A: 250+ busses that could have been used to evacuate poor people who didn't have cars.



By Ben Stein


The fact is the local and state governments are the first line when creating evacuation and rescue plans. They did such a piss poor job they have many policemen quitting and even some committing suicide. They haven't been able to stop their own citizens from shooting at Army Corps Engineers who are trying to rebuild the levees. None of this shit is happening in Mississippi or Alabama. The same federal government is involved in those places. I don't think it's a coincidence New Orleans is having the most trouble. But, that doesn't mean it is George Bush's or the federal government's fault. The groups and programs you are criticizing are the only chance for the people who are left because their local officials and their own neighbors have let them down.

The local and state governements are joke in LA and New Orleans. The corruption and incompetance runs deep and the fruits of it's labors are now showing. You want to place blame, place it where it belongs.

And no more red herrings either :


Your opinion on whether the war is just or not has nothing to do with the hurricane making ladfall in New Orleans, and unless you can prove it, nothing to do with the slow process of getting people to safety.
The war and this disastor have nothing to do with each other, and unless you can prove it...stop saying it. The quote you used above:


It appears? So did it go for that, and not for anything else? How long had they been sitting on this money? Did they just it or had it been there for years and they had failed to act? The use it or lose it string on budgets is used all the time. If you are going to use this as an argument you should have at least more to back it up then a single quote by someone who seems to know very little about what is going on.

Originally Posted by s2kpdx01,Sep 5 2005, 10:11 AM

1) There was food and water at the superdome for 10,000 people for a few days. The problem is so many people did not evacuate and the flooding was greater then many predicted.

2) FEMA and The Guard were ramped up before the storm hit, but the amount of destruction and the level to which some of these people have stooped has made rescue efforts more difficult then expected.

3) Over 100k people stayed behind. The mandatory evacuation was less then successful, see above.

4) No local or federal government can be held responsible for everyone's welfare. The evacuation announcement was predicated with this exact statement, "If you stay no one can guarantee your welfare." Seems obvious enough.

5) Many of the people that need saving aren't grouped together for easy extraction. They are on roofs, porches, and attics strewn across miles of impassible flooded swamp land. This makes location and extraction very slow and tedious.

Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Sep 5 2005, 08:49 PM

They were obviously busy with saving peoples lives else where or something. I don't think they were standing around with thumbs up their assholes watching people bitch at the convention center. I was pissed watching that but I figured there must be a reason. I doubt many people died due to the delay in getting to the convention center. That doesn't mean one person isn't too many but if your a bean counter saving two over there for one over there is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Spa2k 4 me:),Sep 5 2005, 09:26 PM

Food, water, & medical supplies for survival

Nike shoes, sony tvs, Jewelry etc.

Originally Posted by My R2,Sep 6 2005, 10:47 AM

FI nice..... That is real classy

Insulting me b/c you cannot take the time to type your thoughts and ideas out just shows you really need to either go "back" to school or "continue" your studies at school. In either case, please grow up and stop the personal attacks.