[QUOTE=PTDANO,Sep 2 2005, 04:31 PM]

 

[QUOTE=lyndon_h,Sep 2 2005, 07:58 PM] Yeah, we are all learning more and more as the story unfolds, but apparently this problem was forseen for years. But it was put on the backburner for the war in Iraq. The funds that were to be used to strengthen the levee system were sucked up.

 

You are wrong. That is not all im doing. Please reread my post. I disclaimed my post by using the word "apparently" twice. I'm searching for the truth. Interestingly, you post encouraged me to search a little more.

You have said that the corp of engineers said 30 Million project wouldn't helped. The Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project (SELA) was not able to spend 250million (NOT 30 million) of the money they were allocated for fixing the levee system because the funds were cut. The levee system was not demolished. There were some weak points in the levee that gave. Reinforcements from the $250,000,000 would probably have helped.

It interesting that you say that its the liberals that like place blame. I guess everyone has a view. I like to think that its the far right wingers that like to spew hate and intolerance. I guess there are two sides to every story, huh?

I agree that passing blame doesn't make our citizens in N.O. any better off. But there is a difference here. I HATE when people agree to something, then say "I told you so" after something goes wrong. But, I was against the war in Iraq in the beginning. I was against the tax cuts before the tax they were passed. Not becuase i'm against tax cuts, but because i realize that you cant' cut taxes AND pay for a war and be fiscally responsible. Something will have to be cut. And it seems that the levee system was cut to fight the war in the Iraq.

I agree with you 100% that we should not spend time arguing about this issue. We will find out more fact as time goes on (whatever they are).
So, in the sake of not rerouting this thread, lets take this discussion to another thread or PM me and we can discuss this. I hate I even posted the message above. This is a very important thread and i hate to crap on it.

I have already given a nice lil nugget to the Red Cross. If you can afford to drive an S2000, you can afford to give a lil cash to help out.

 

Wow, you are a stupid jackass. This shit isn't happening in Mississippi or Alabama. There have been other very bad disastors in America before, and neighbors helped neighbors, and no looting happened. There are certain areas of this country, of any country, that are going to have problems with this kind of stuff more then others. New Orleans is probably one of the worst.

 

Yeah, and if people had spent the $250 million to do whatever they were going to do and no hurricanes had hit NO for 50 years people would have complained about wasting money. It was an old system around a bowl and it probably needed to be fixed, but you can say that about a lot of things. There are things and places that need help all over and it is always a compromise about when and how they get fixed. I am sure this problem (with NO) has been around since before Bush was in office. Why didn't Clinton fix it, if it was such a high priority. Why weren't liberals screaming about this before the hurricane hit. Hindsight is 20/20....people in glass houses....

 

FFS!

What would've happened if the levees broke even if the improvement of the levees had happen?

What would you try to pin on GW then?

You just want to find a reason to substantiate your hate for him.

Your hate for him stems from the fact that he doesn't agree with your opinions and is running the country based on other peoples opinions.

I didn't hate Bill Clinton for running the country differently than I would've wanted it to have been run. Actually I thought he was a good "do little" president, which is really what I want to see. I didn't like him lying about his sexual harassment, he should've just admitted to dropping his pants and took it like a man.

 

Thank you for you opinions, now back to the facts.
Major flooding to N.O. and the Gulf region was identified as one of the 3 major events that could cripple our economy (the other 2 was a major earthquake to san francisco and something happening to NY (i cant remember what that thing was. Sorry)).

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It appears that the money has been moved in the president

 

Looting is looting ,stealing is stealing. Taking something that is not yours is wrong regardless of how you try and justfy it. Your mammas should have taught you right from wrong, your daddies should have taught you how to survive instead of whinning like the French.

What should have happened when it started, see a looter shoot to kill said looter.

What the hell happened to taking care of yourself instead of whinning , "I need this ,I need that". Last time I was at Mardi Gras , I saw a buttload of pigeons. In a pinch if your hungry you kill and eat pigeons. You can survive on fish or you can hunt for food if you have to. The old or young ,weak or cripple sure help them out. But if you are able bodied help your damn self out.

I was raised to learn how to survive , my two little boys are learning the same skills. I will not have done my job as a dad if I see them on TV asking for handouts in a crisis.

Pretty damn sad, that people have no survival skills.

 

I applaud your self sufficiency. You should feel proud. But you cannot expect in excess of 1million people "to find a way out" in a natural disaster. It will take alot of time and resources to absorb that many people.

But please tell me something.... Why is it so shameful to be at a shelter? It is not their fault that they are starving. It is the fault of FEMA and the government.

 

[QUOTE=lyndon_h,Sep 5 2005, 01:30 PM] It is not their fault that they are starving.