[sarcasm begin]But I lost the opportunity to sell my XBOX for mega bucks to someone who wants it now.[/end sarcasm]

 

The way I see it, GT4 was given the proper treatment+time...and MS took the opposite approach with the XBOX 360.





<-- Still waiting for GT4 mobile for my PSP!

 

Sounds to me like a Sony employee

 

I don't own a microsoft product that breaks, I've had several that are still working to this day. As for MS software crashing, my XP has never crashed on me since day one. My office 2003 seems to work flawlessly, even when I make a big mistake it auto recovers my work.

 

[QUOTE=exceltoexcel,Dec 6 2005, 08:52 AM]I don't own a microsoft product that breaks, I've had several that are

 

WTF does people writting malicous code have to do with microsoft? Would you prefer not to be able to do anything on your machine? That's the only way to stop viruses, linux, apple, every freaking system has viruses, firefox has been hit too.

 

If you look at the OS design, you will see that Linux and OS X are far less susceptible to viruses. And forget about spyware -- non-existent! And if you think they can't do anything, look at which OS 60% of the internet is run on.

 

I'm not a MS fanboy, but your are incorrect in your statements. OS-X and Linux actually have many of the same flaws that MS does, the only difference is no one is writing code to exploit them.

Why waste your time on less than 10% of the population? Virus writers and other code exploiters are looking for the most exposure in the shortest time frame, and right now that means microsoft products. Web servers are rarely the targets, its the home users and business users who are the targets, home users have less ability to track and prosecute and usually have things like credit card info and bank info.

Visa, who I'm pretty sure is a unix/linux shop for much of there online data was hacked into 4 times in the last year or so. I know, I keep getting letters from them saying their database got hacked and they have to send me a new card.

I'll have to see if I still have it, but on one of my security emails I get at work was a big list of all the vulnerabilities in Linux that have been around forever but were never patched because no bothered exploiting them. Some of the better ones were the root hacks and security flaws that allowed hackers to gain root access on linux. Most of the flaws still exists.

The one thing that kills microsoft right now is that there are all these script programs to make viruses with. So every script kiddie out there can make a new virus in about 10 minutes.

 

So how am I incorrect? I said they are far less susceptible to viruses and that spyware is nonexistant both because of the OS design. Your theory that there are no viruses because of a smaller desktop market share is nothing more than that - a theory.

Unix based OSs do a much better job seperating the end user from the administrator and this is one of the main reasons they are more secure. Also the code/design has been improved upon for 30 years while M$ reinvents a much less stable wheel every 5 years.

Set up a Windows XP box on a cable modem with no extra security and see how much faster it gets infected compared to a Linux or OS X machine! It will die before you can even do the updates!

 

Sixty percent is close, but the latest numbers have that Apache/Unix servers are on 70% of servers these days, but MS is growing quarterly thanks mainly to German companies.

There used to be a day when well over 90% of servers ran Unix. All the biggest players all still use Unix - Google, Yahoo and Amazon among them.

This thread has gotten totally off topic, but jasonw is pretty much correct with what he said. MS runs admin by default, and MS OS security is nothing but a bit tag on a file - there's no real seperation of anything so its very easy to corrupt the system. Unix variants are much more regulated and users don't run in admin mode by default, so the only way to propogate a virus would be to run in admin mode, which is much harder to do in Unix land.

MS has something like 30,000 known viruses and exploits currently. According to your user theory, if Macs and Unix have a mere 10% market share, there should be around 3,000 viruses for them. There are zero - not because no one is using the OS's, but because they're just built better.

Visa runs Solaris servers for its site - but the web site has nothing to do with their DB systems.