Modern Tipping Practices are WRONG
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some of these comments are staring to sound racist. keep it comin
Racist? How so???
Ya know, when it comes to money, everyone is of the same race and religion.
some of these comments are staring to sound racist. keep it comin
Racist? How so???
Ya know, when it comes to money, everyone is of the same race and religion.
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I'm a generous tipper most of the time - it solely depends on the service given. I pretty much know i'm going to tip around 18%, and it goes up or down from there. I always calculate tip from the sub-total (price before tax). The tax has nothing to do with service.
On that note, I question the whole idea of tipping. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just curious as to how it all came about. The price for food is fixed, because of it's quality - tipping is just for friendliness, service, or what have you.
So let's say for instance you and I both go to a restaurant together. I ordered a steak for a made up price of $20 and you overindulged and had steak and lobster for say, $50. Because of tipping you'll be paying $6 more than me. But we both had the same waiter. The same service. It doesn't make sense for you to have to pay more just because your dinner was more expensive. It's not like the waiter took extra care to bring yours over. So what the hell is going on here?
On that note, I question the whole idea of tipping. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just curious as to how it all came about. The price for food is fixed, because of it's quality - tipping is just for friendliness, service, or what have you.
So let's say for instance you and I both go to a restaurant together. I ordered a steak for a made up price of $20 and you overindulged and had steak and lobster for say, $50. Because of tipping you'll be paying $6 more than me. But we both had the same waiter. The same service. It doesn't make sense for you to have to pay more just because your dinner was more expensive. It's not like the waiter took extra care to bring yours over. So what the hell is going on here?
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Unless the service is terrible, you should always tip for services exchanged through employees. Whether that be a meal tab, bar tab, haircut, valet, etc. It's going in their pockets, not the companies.
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I'm a generous tipper most of the time - it solely depends on the service given. I pretty much know i'm going to tip around 18%, and it goes up or down from there. I always calculate tip from the sub-total (price before tax). The tax has nothing to do with service.
On that note, I question the whole idea of tipping. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just curious as to how it all came about. The price for food is fixed, because of it's quality - tipping is just for friendliness, service, or what have you.
So let's say for instance you and I both go to a restaurant together. I ordered a steak for a made up price of $20 and you overindulged and had steak and lobster for say, $50. Because of tipping you'll be paying $6 more than me. But we both had the same waiter. The same service. It doesn't make sense for you to have to pay more just because your dinner was more expensive. It's not like the waiter took extra care to bring yours over. So what the hell is going on here?
On that note, I question the whole idea of tipping. I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just curious as to how it all came about. The price for food is fixed, because of it's quality - tipping is just for friendliness, service, or what have you.
So let's say for instance you and I both go to a restaurant together. I ordered a steak for a made up price of $20 and you overindulged and had steak and lobster for say, $50. Because of tipping you'll be paying $6 more than me. But we both had the same waiter. The same service. It doesn't make sense for you to have to pay more just because your dinner was more expensive. It's not like the waiter took extra care to bring yours over. So what the hell is going on here?
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some of these comments are staring to sound racist. keep it comin
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you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
What experience? Also, for restaurants to eat the cost, you'd have to assume demand would drop significantly if their prices increased... and I'd love to see your evidence for that. Hell, I highly doubt most restaurants even COULD eat the cost - their profit margins aren't that high. If you want to debate the elasticity of demand in the service industry though, I'm all ears. Lulz.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
What the hell do you mean "write off" the tip? Again, you're not even making sense. I said it in my first post and I'll say it again: the tipping system is not perfect, but if you DO NOT tip, you're just an asshole... you're not fighting the system, you're not accomplishing anything. If you don't like the tipping system, then don't go out to eat - get carry out. Don't valet your car - park it yourself. Enjoy that lifestyle.
wat
you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
What experience? Also, for restaurants to eat the cost, you'd have to assume demand would drop significantly if their prices increased... and I'd love to see your evidence for that. Hell, I highly doubt most restaurants even COULD eat the cost - their profit margins aren't that high. If you want to debate the elasticity of demand in the service industry though, I'm all ears. Lulz.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
What the hell do you mean "write off" the tip? Again, you're not even making sense. I said it in my first post and I'll say it again: the tipping system is not perfect, but if you DO NOT tip, you're just an asshole... you're not fighting the system, you're not accomplishing anything. If you don't like the tipping system, then don't go out to eat - get carry out. Don't valet your car - park it yourself. Enjoy that lifestyle.
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some of these comments are staring to sound racist. keep it comin
you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
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you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
...
If we were to disuss who didn't understand what, we'd start with you.
In the USA, tips ARE wages. That is their pay. When you patronize an establishment that has tipped servers, you have input into how much that server gets paid for serving you. In a very real sense, you ARE their employer and as a result you are expected to pick up your share of their wage. If you don't like it, don't use the service, i.e. don't go out to eat in full service restaurants.
In other countries, servers are paid more by the employers, they are covered under different employment and tax laws, and it is entirely reasonable to leave server compensation for small meals in a cafe up to the cafe owner. However, it has been my experience that after a more expensive meal people usually leave at least something, perhaps 5%.
Tipping in the USA is the way it is largely because of how servers are paid and taxed. It makes no sense to apply practices in other countries to US servers without first changing how servers are paid and taxed in the US. You wouldn't save any money if we changed the employment laws and tax rules in the US to eliminate tipping, because the cost of a meal in a full service restaurant would increase significantly to cover 100% of the servers' wages.
Your basic premise is that the way servers are paid in the USA is "wrong," simply because it's not the way it's done everywhere. Well, why isn't it wrong the way they do it in Spain? When a person thinks the way things are done one place is "right" and the way it's done elsewhere is "wrong," we call that person "provincial." It's a derogatory term, FYI. And someone who refuses to accept the responsibility for paying their server is called a "tightwad," but we might also call them a freeloader (who doesn't want to pay a fair wage for services rendered).
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Originally Posted by dyhppy' timestamp='1310763461' post='20784369
some of these comments are staring to sound racist. keep it comin
you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
...
you dont seem to understand what i said. from EXPERIENCE, the overall price will not necessarily be the same if tip was included. the restaurant would prob make less money.
it's amazing to listen to how the idea is so ingrained into some of you that you think it's wrong not to tip. u are NOT their employer. you do NOT get to write off the tip u are paying to them, do you?
...
If we were to disuss who didn't understand what, we'd start with you.
In the USA, tips ARE wages. That is their pay. When you patronize an establishment that has tipped servers, you have input into how much that server gets paid for serving you. In a very real sense, you ARE their employer and as a result you are expected to pick up your share of their wage. If you don't like it, don't use the service, i.e. don't go out to eat in full service restaurants.
In other countries, servers are paid more by the employers, they are covered under different employment and tax laws, and it is entirely reasonable to leave server compensation for small meals in a cafe up to the cafe owner. However, it has been my experience that after a more expensive meal people usually leave at least something, perhaps 5%.
Tipping in the USA is the way it is largely because of how servers are paid and taxed. It makes no sense to apply practices in other countries to US servers without first changing how servers are paid and taxed in the US. You wouldn't save any money if we changed the employment laws and tax rules in the US to eliminate tipping, because the cost of a meal in a full service restaurant would increase significantly to cover 100% of the servers' wages.
Your basic premise is that the way servers are paid in the USA is "wrong," simply because it's not the way it's done everywhere. Well, why isn't it wrong the way they do it in Spain? When a person thinks the way things are done one place is "right" and the way it's done elsewhere is "wrong," we call that person "provincial." It's a derogatory term, FYI. And someone who refuses to accept the responsibility for paying their server is called a "tightwad," but we might also call them a freeloader (who doesn't want to pay a fair wage for services rendered).
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Most of my opinions on this subject have already been covered quite nicely by tuna, but I will say this-
If you don't tip my wife, I will find you and kill you. Because she will come home and cry about how hard she worked for your big party of rude assholes and you left without even considering a tip.
Now that is just an illogical statement, and far from true, but it conveys the feeling I have for deadbeats who do not compensate the waitstaff that served them. The reason we tip in America is to show our appreciation of the service of the establishment. The same culture that requires direct payment for services provided is the culture that is rude enough to walk out without paying. Those other countries that you speak of for the most part have a culture that isn't half as rude as the majority of American patrons. And by American patrons, I mean you, the person that thinks he is above compensating the waitstaff for services provided.
If you don't tip my wife, I will find you and kill you. Because she will come home and cry about how hard she worked for your big party of rude assholes and you left without even considering a tip.
Now that is just an illogical statement, and far from true, but it conveys the feeling I have for deadbeats who do not compensate the waitstaff that served them. The reason we tip in America is to show our appreciation of the service of the establishment. The same culture that requires direct payment for services provided is the culture that is rude enough to walk out without paying. Those other countries that you speak of for the most part have a culture that isn't half as rude as the majority of American patrons. And by American patrons, I mean you, the person that thinks he is above compensating the waitstaff for services provided.
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Most of my opinions on this subject have already been covered quite nicely by tuna, but I will say this-
If you don't tip my wife, I will find you and kill you. Because she will come home and cry about how hard she worked for your big party of rude assholes and you left without even considering a tip.
Now that is just an illogical statement, and far from true, but it conveys the feeling I have for deadbeats who do not compensate the waitstaff that served them. The reason we tip in America is to show our appreciation of the service of the establishment. The same culture that requires direct payment for services provided is the culture that is rude enough to walk out without paying. Those other countries that you speak of for the most part have a culture that isn't half as rude as the majority of American patrons. And by American patrons, I mean you, the person that thinks he is above compensating the waitstaff for services provided.
If you don't tip my wife, I will find you and kill you. Because she will come home and cry about how hard she worked for your big party of rude assholes and you left without even considering a tip.
Now that is just an illogical statement, and far from true, but it conveys the feeling I have for deadbeats who do not compensate the waitstaff that served them. The reason we tip in America is to show our appreciation of the service of the establishment. The same culture that requires direct payment for services provided is the culture that is rude enough to walk out without paying. Those other countries that you speak of for the most part have a culture that isn't half as rude as the majority of American patrons. And by American patrons, I mean you, the person that thinks he is above compensating the waitstaff for services provided.
I really don't expect that much from a waitress/waiter, but what little I do expect from you, I expect you to do your job. Simple as that.
I don't expect you to give me your life story--just take my order, don't screw it up ( and I understand/don't hold you accountable for the kitchen cooking my steak well done when I wanted medium rare), if you see my beer glass empty, don't make me flag you down to refill it. If I'm a regular at your restaurant--welcome me when I come in and request your section. Throw me a free beer/glass of wine--or hell, comp me that appetizer that I just ordered. Whatever that appetizer cost, that's part of your tip.
Just because you are in the service industry and you live on tips-don't assume that you get a tip. You have to earn it.