Modern Tipping Practices are WRONG
I don't usually eat anywhere that rude waitstaff would work. So I minimum tip 20%. Usually more. I figure it into the cost of the evening. Like gas or parking. If the waiter is a little off, I usually a benefit of the doubt statement like, "It looks like you've had a busy day" or "Are you doing okay?" More often then not, it brightens their day and in turn brightens my day. Everyone wins. I don't really like entitlement from anyone, whether it's the server for the tip or the customer for the business.
Everyone seems to only be focused on food services. My stance on the subject is if you are in a position that gets paid crap because tips are expected, I usually tip 20% for decent service, and up to 40-50% for great service (barbers, waiters, cabs, valet). Even for very bad service you will still get at least 10%. When It comes to other stuff. I some times tip just to say thank you if someone went out of their way for me. I also try to give them some return service and recommend them to friends. In my eyes, return service and a good rep goes a lot farther.
At the same time, if the service is bad I will talk to the employee, manager, or owner if necessary to try to resolve the issue.
At the same time, if the service is bad I will talk to the employee, manager, or owner if necessary to try to resolve the issue.
Is anyone else reminded of Reservoir Dogs right now?
I agree that "forced" tipping is whack, and +1 on those tip jars at Starbucks, Jamba Juice, etc. I hate that. I'm pretty picky about who I tip. If you treat me well, I'll tip at least 35%. If I get mediocre service, I'll give you 15%. If it's anything less than mediocre, you're getting nothing. I don't like the idea of tipping a few pennies to prove a point... That's insulting.
I agree that "forced" tipping is whack, and +1 on those tip jars at Starbucks, Jamba Juice, etc. I hate that. I'm pretty picky about who I tip. If you treat me well, I'll tip at least 35%. If I get mediocre service, I'll give you 15%. If it's anything less than mediocre, you're getting nothing. I don't like the idea of tipping a few pennies to prove a point... That's insulting.
Call me cheap, call me mean etc don't waste your breath.
if you're a food server or chambermaid, you'll hate me with your misdirected blame.
what is up with tipping? i just returned from a country where they dont tip and taxes are included. the price you see on the menu is the price you pay out the door. it was awesome. restaurant, hotel and other business owners must be laughing all the way to bank as they underpay their employees and those same employees get mad at already paying customers for not leaving them good tips. and to top that off, society has so embraced the concept of tipping that people will rag on each other when they dont want to condone this messed up system.
anyone agree but more interestingly, does anyone disagree and WHY?
if you're a food server or chambermaid, you'll hate me with your misdirected blame.
what is up with tipping? i just returned from a country where they dont tip and taxes are included. the price you see on the menu is the price you pay out the door. it was awesome. restaurant, hotel and other business owners must be laughing all the way to bank as they underpay their employees and those same employees get mad at already paying customers for not leaving them good tips. and to top that off, society has so embraced the concept of tipping that people will rag on each other when they dont want to condone this messed up system.
anyone agree but more interestingly, does anyone disagree and WHY?
I tip $1 of every $5 spent until we get above $30, and then it's 15%.
Originally Posted by Morris' timestamp='1310829541' post='20786081
In my state it is illegal to make a server pay for the food if the diner skips.
I knew someone years ago that had a different method of tipping. He estimated what a great tip was going to be when he sat down at a restaurant. He put the tip in cash on the table and told his server that would be his/her tip if the service was good. If the server ignored him, screwed up, was rude etc, he removed part of the tip at each infraction. What was left was what the server got. I don't think he had to remove much over the years.
I knew someone years ago that had a different method of tipping. He estimated what a great tip was going to be when he sat down at a restaurant. He put the tip in cash on the table and told his server that would be his/her tip if the service was good. If the server ignored him, screwed up, was rude etc, he removed part of the tip at each infraction. What was left was what the server got. I don't think he had to remove much over the years.
It is illegal in NY as well. There was a huge lawsuit (multi million dollar) against the Balthazar group (Balthazar, Pastis, etc) for management forcing servers to pay the walkouts. However, you do have the right to fire them.
However, interestingly enough, in NY, credit card processing fees may now be taken out of the server's cc tips, which I found really weird. We don't do it in my group, but I found it really strange that something like that passed, as most view CC processing fees to be a restaurant expense.
Originally Posted by Morris' timestamp='1310829541' post='20786081
In my state it is illegal to make a server pay for the food if the diner skips.
I knew someone years ago that had a different method of tipping. He estimated what a great tip was going to be when he sat down at a restaurant. He put the tip in cash on the table and told his server that would be his/her tip if the service was good. If the server ignored him, screwed up, was rude etc, he removed part of the tip at each infraction. What was left was what the server got. I don't think he had to remove much over the years.
I knew someone years ago that had a different method of tipping. He estimated what a great tip was going to be when he sat down at a restaurant. He put the tip in cash on the table and told his server that would be his/her tip if the service was good. If the server ignored him, screwed up, was rude etc, he removed part of the tip at each infraction. What was left was what the server got. I don't think he had to remove much over the years.
This is true here too, but that doesnt mean the restaurant doesnt take it out on the server.
The server can file a claim for a dine and dash, but after a few of these, the server is FIRED. Most servers rather pay out of their pocket than lose their source of income, therefore they pay out the money they were stiffed on.
Oh, and one more thing...I do agree with the OP on ONE aspect....tipping IS a part of our culture, however, it spread like wildfire into positions that have no business being tipped. Many businesses/industries saw the restaurant industry, and said, "hey, that's a damn good idea!" As a result, you now have a TON of jobs that are "tipping jobs.
Here is a small list of places I refuse to tip, and remember, I have been in the service industry for over 15 years...
1)Mandatory valets. I understand valeting your car is a luxury. However, if I choose to dine at your restaurant, and you don't allow customers to park their own cars, and FORCE valet on them, I will not tip.
2)Mandatory coat checks. I refuse to tip.
3)Bathroom attendants. I ALWAYS refuse their services, and I do not tip them. I find them intrusive, privacy invading, and just generally, a creepy job.
4)Hostesses (this is a NYC thing.)
5)ANY service/business where the OWNER is the "servant." If I come to you to install a stereo, and you are the installer/owner, I will not tip you.
Here is a small list of places I refuse to tip, and remember, I have been in the service industry for over 15 years...
1)Mandatory valets. I understand valeting your car is a luxury. However, if I choose to dine at your restaurant, and you don't allow customers to park their own cars, and FORCE valet on them, I will not tip.
2)Mandatory coat checks. I refuse to tip.
3)Bathroom attendants. I ALWAYS refuse their services, and I do not tip them. I find them intrusive, privacy invading, and just generally, a creepy job.
4)Hostesses (this is a NYC thing.)
5)ANY service/business where the OWNER is the "servant." If I come to you to install a stereo, and you are the installer/owner, I will not tip you.
Where I am living now you don't have to pay tips anywhere...
Theres only 2 occasions that I always pay tips...
extra good service at the restaurant (rarely the case according to my standard)
and Bathroom attendants... because they are usually really old man with little skills and just trying to make a living ( I hate the society eveytime I see an old man or lady have to takeout loads of trash, cleaning ...etc)
all else I dont pay tips especially going out for drinks/clubs...
Theres only 2 occasions that I always pay tips...
extra good service at the restaurant (rarely the case according to my standard)
and Bathroom attendants... because they are usually really old man with little skills and just trying to make a living ( I hate the society eveytime I see an old man or lady have to takeout loads of trash, cleaning ...etc)
all else I dont pay tips especially going out for drinks/clubs...






