NeedAdvice-Got 2 job offers, accepted the first, 30 min later called for an interview
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From: Davison
Follow the money even if it means you have to keep moving. The only thing you need to be loyal to is yourself and your family and do what it takes to get by, survive, and if you are lucky even prosper. If it means leaving a company after a short time then that is what you need to do.
I interviewed for 2 jobs 2 days apart, I took the one that paid the most (by $5k per year). 4 months later the first place called me back and offered me $12k more a year salary, made me head of my department, company cellphone with unlimited minutes, $2k quarterly bonuses, 4 weeks paid vacation per year and allowed me to hand pick my staff and answer only to the CEO. Do you think I had a second thought about leaving where I was? Even my boss, the owner of the company that I was working for told me I would be stupid if I didn't go for it.
If there is not a big salary difference or job requirement difference, go for the one that will give you long term stability and room for growth. Otherwise, follow the $ and/or go for the position that you really want.
I interviewed for 2 jobs 2 days apart, I took the one that paid the most (by $5k per year). 4 months later the first place called me back and offered me $12k more a year salary, made me head of my department, company cellphone with unlimited minutes, $2k quarterly bonuses, 4 weeks paid vacation per year and allowed me to hand pick my staff and answer only to the CEO. Do you think I had a second thought about leaving where I was? Even my boss, the owner of the company that I was working for told me I would be stupid if I didn't go for it.
If there is not a big salary difference or job requirement difference, go for the one that will give you long term stability and room for growth. Otherwise, follow the $ and/or go for the position that you really want.
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You need to look out for yourself because I guarantee most companies aren't looking out for you. My previous employer was rescinding job offers to college students before they had even started a few years ago, so that shows you how much they cared about those people. Unfortunately, the attitude of employers in this country has made it that loyalty to companies is a waste of time. Most won't think twice to screw over their employees so employees shouldn't think twice if they get a better offer from another company. Chrissa, maybe your company isn't one of the many that lays off hundreds of people one quarter to improve their numbers and then starts hiring again six months later and treats their employees as disposable assets, but there are enough of them out there that do that so it's hard for me to buy the sob story about what this may do to AAC. If SiDriver can get a better situation with another company, he needs to do what's best for himself.
I had a similar situation in an internship when I was in college. I was having trouble finding an internship when my Dad got me an interview with the company he was working for. I got the internship, but it didn't pay particularly well and it was a 25 mile commute one way. The work they had me doing was also pretty lame, but it was a summer job. A few months earlier I had interviewed with another company for an internship and didn't get that job, but I guess they liked me and kept my resume because they left a message for me to call them while I was at work the first day of my internship. I really wanted to work for this other company as it was a company that I was interested in working for after I graduated so I called them back and interviewed with them later that week. So they offered me an internship paying 70% higher, doing real IT work, only four miles from my house, and it was a company that I was very interested in working for after I graduated. It was a no-brainer, but I still felt bad giving my two weeks notice at the other job after my first week of working there. I did it anyway and never regretted it. Yes, the first company wasn't too happy with me, but I made sure to document the process I had developed for the work I was doing so that they could easily get someone else to do it. I did end up getting a full-time job offer from the second company after I worked there that summer and even though I ended up going elsewhere I still know some people there that may prove valuable in the future.
I had a similar situation in an internship when I was in college. I was having trouble finding an internship when my Dad got me an interview with the company he was working for. I got the internship, but it didn't pay particularly well and it was a 25 mile commute one way. The work they had me doing was also pretty lame, but it was a summer job. A few months earlier I had interviewed with another company for an internship and didn't get that job, but I guess they liked me and kept my resume because they left a message for me to call them while I was at work the first day of my internship. I really wanted to work for this other company as it was a company that I was interested in working for after I graduated so I called them back and interviewed with them later that week. So they offered me an internship paying 70% higher, doing real IT work, only four miles from my house, and it was a company that I was very interested in working for after I graduated. It was a no-brainer, but I still felt bad giving my two weeks notice at the other job after my first week of working there. I did it anyway and never regretted it. Yes, the first company wasn't too happy with me, but I made sure to document the process I had developed for the work I was doing so that they could easily get someone else to do it. I did end up getting a full-time job offer from the second company after I worked there that summer and even though I ended up going elsewhere I still know some people there that may prove valuable in the future.
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SiDriver,
Your situation isn't unusual. It actually happens fairly frequently. I myself went through a similar thing a few years ago, when I was looking for my first job. After several months of fruitless searching, I ended up getting a job offer as a chemist. I accepted it, even though I didn't exactly love the position or the company it was at (you'd have to know the people there to understand). As luck would have it, I got an interview for a computer programmer position just days after I accepted the chemist position. Then, several days before I was supposed to start as a chemist, I got a call back and was offered the computer programmer position.
I accepted the programmer position, and called the other company back to say I was declining the chemist position. They weren't too happy about it, but realistically, there was nothing they could do.
I don't see any problem with what you're doing. I say to delay the AAC start date as much as possible pending what happens with the Northrup-Grumman position. As you already know, Northrup-Grumman is a great employer to work for, and it looks good on a resume. They treat their employees quite well (several personal friends of mine work there) and are a major player in several industries.
The ethics of this can be debated to no end, but that's irrelevant. Only reality matters, and the bottom line is, there's not much AAC can do if you back out of the job offer, and honestly, there are no friends in business. Companies hire you simply because you can perform some sort of useful service for them. It's all about the bottom line, and as many have said, when times turn bad, or once you are no longer useful, most companies won't hesitate to terminate you in order to save a few bucks. It is in your best interests to do what's best for you. Good luck!
Your situation isn't unusual. It actually happens fairly frequently. I myself went through a similar thing a few years ago, when I was looking for my first job. After several months of fruitless searching, I ended up getting a job offer as a chemist. I accepted it, even though I didn't exactly love the position or the company it was at (you'd have to know the people there to understand). As luck would have it, I got an interview for a computer programmer position just days after I accepted the chemist position. Then, several days before I was supposed to start as a chemist, I got a call back and was offered the computer programmer position.
I accepted the programmer position, and called the other company back to say I was declining the chemist position. They weren't too happy about it, but realistically, there was nothing they could do.
I don't see any problem with what you're doing. I say to delay the AAC start date as much as possible pending what happens with the Northrup-Grumman position. As you already know, Northrup-Grumman is a great employer to work for, and it looks good on a resume. They treat their employees quite well (several personal friends of mine work there) and are a major player in several industries.
The ethics of this can be debated to no end, but that's irrelevant. Only reality matters, and the bottom line is, there's not much AAC can do if you back out of the job offer, and honestly, there are no friends in business. Companies hire you simply because you can perform some sort of useful service for them. It's all about the bottom line, and as many have said, when times turn bad, or once you are no longer useful, most companies won't hesitate to terminate you in order to save a few bucks. It is in your best interests to do what's best for you. Good luck!
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Originally posted by EndLess_Pain
I have worked for Lockheed Martin, BAE Systems and now im with Northrup Grumman, and I wouldnt change NG for a small company, to think about it, I wouldnt change NG for anything, they are great!
I have worked for Lockheed Martin, BAE Systems and now im with Northrup Grumman, and I wouldnt change NG for a small company, to think about it, I wouldnt change NG for anything, they are great!
In this case, bigger is not better.
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Much thanks to all of you for your feedback and helpful responses. After carefully weighing my options and the possible entailing ramifications, I've decided to stick it out with AAC. I thank the Lord for the opportunity I've received by getting an offer from AAC and it's more than a blessing in and of itself just leaving my current job - it really stinks that much lol. I certainly don't want to trample on others (at first, I didn't even know there would be much trampling involved but now after some feedback and calling up my career advisor at my alma mater, I realized otherwise) as I progress in my career - I mean after a few years, I can always move on to a better company. AAC is a respectable company and I'll give it my all for a few years and see what happens from there.
Again, thanks to all. I didn't ignore a single post from you guys, I read every single one and carefully arrived at a decision, so I appreciate what you've all said.
Again, thanks to all. I didn't ignore a single post from you guys, I read every single one and carefully arrived at a decision, so I appreciate what you've all said.
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