One good cop?
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Originally Posted by dirtykoala' timestamp='1311402631' post='20807444
This is the problem with this country. The 2nd amendment to the US constitutions bill of rights says that you have a RIGHT to keep and BEAR arms. Why would you need to talk to a cop when you are doing something that you have a right to do? do cops stop people to make sure they are legally using their right to freedom of speech? do you need some sort of a special permit to remain silent?
This video is from CA, where PC 12031(e) gives a cop the OPTION to check the firearm and verify that it is being carried unloaded and in compliance of the law. The cop OPTED to harass a law abiding citizen, further, that cop obviously supports this unconstitutional law that allows cops to search your property w/o a warrant, even though they arent breaking the law.
Our standards of good cops are a joke. How was this cop good? He violated a constitutional right, and took this persons time which he can never get back or get paid for. We have become so accustomed to seeing cops beat the hell out of people, or shoot them or their dog, or give them a sever ass chewing that when a cop is "just" violating the constitution that he swore to uphold and defend, we think hes doing a good thing.
This video is from CA, where PC 12031(e) gives a cop the OPTION to check the firearm and verify that it is being carried unloaded and in compliance of the law. The cop OPTED to harass a law abiding citizen, further, that cop obviously supports this unconstitutional law that allows cops to search your property w/o a warrant, even though they arent breaking the law.
Our standards of good cops are a joke. How was this cop good? He violated a constitutional right, and took this persons time which he can never get back or get paid for. We have become so accustomed to seeing cops beat the hell out of people, or shoot them or their dog, or give them a sever ass chewing that when a cop is "just" violating the constitution that he swore to uphold and defend, we think hes doing a good thing.
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Those of you who think this cop was "nice" are the reason why we are losing rights left and right. The cop should be fired and then sued for "official oppression." Google that term if you don't know what that means.
Police have VERY LIMITED authority given to them by US, the people. They cannot CHOOSE what they can do. They have EXTREMELY specific boundaries that they must follow. If you choose to forego your rights, thats your business, but don't dare say "oh look the cop was nice" when he broke at least 3 laws ON CAMERA.
The video CLEARLY shows that the officer KNOWS that he is overstepping his authority. He KNOWS that in NO STATE, is ANYONE required to provide physical ID (like a DL) outside of a vehicle. Name is good enough, and in the video, you clearly see the officer acknowledges that, but the problem is HE STILL TRIED. For states with a stop and identify law, there MUST be a RAS of a crime and detainment.
Furthermore, he has no right to touch the guys gun. Just like a cop has no right to touch your iphone, the gun is legal, no crime is being committed, and yet the cop is all let me check it for safety blah blah blah. The cop needs more training.
The funny thing is, cops on the most part are SO corrupt and dickheaded, that cops like these, while breaking laws, actually look good....and the secondary problem is that many people buy this koolaid, and don't see what is ACTUALLY going on.
Go to the 9 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=pUd_00Xrf_U
Now take a look at this video....long, but you better sit down....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The cops have been suspended and a full fledged IA investigation is underway....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The three videos are not that different, the difference is LANGUAGE, but the crimes being committed are actually quite similar.
Police have VERY LIMITED authority given to them by US, the people. They cannot CHOOSE what they can do. They have EXTREMELY specific boundaries that they must follow. If you choose to forego your rights, thats your business, but don't dare say "oh look the cop was nice" when he broke at least 3 laws ON CAMERA.
The video CLEARLY shows that the officer KNOWS that he is overstepping his authority. He KNOWS that in NO STATE, is ANYONE required to provide physical ID (like a DL) outside of a vehicle. Name is good enough, and in the video, you clearly see the officer acknowledges that, but the problem is HE STILL TRIED. For states with a stop and identify law, there MUST be a RAS of a crime and detainment.
Furthermore, he has no right to touch the guys gun. Just like a cop has no right to touch your iphone, the gun is legal, no crime is being committed, and yet the cop is all let me check it for safety blah blah blah. The cop needs more training.
The funny thing is, cops on the most part are SO corrupt and dickheaded, that cops like these, while breaking laws, actually look good....and the secondary problem is that many people buy this koolaid, and don't see what is ACTUALLY going on.
Go to the 9 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=pUd_00Xrf_U
Now take a look at this video....long, but you better sit down....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The cops have been suspended and a full fledged IA investigation is underway....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The three videos are not that different, the difference is LANGUAGE, but the crimes being committed are actually quite similar.
I agree with you, but want to clarify something; The cop is allowed to examine the gun to ensure that it is unloaded per PC12031(e). That though, is the main part of the problem if the OP's video. It is a clear violation of the 4th amendment which protects people from warantless searches or seizures absent RAS, yet somehow this state decided that its OK to give up constitutional rights in order to gain a false sense of security by having cops be allowed to make sure peaceful and law abiding citizens arent actually retarded gang bangers that wear unloaded guns openly in belt holsters.
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Ignore Koala he is anti-police and will argue with you till he turns blue.
The officer did a good job. A call like that will come in 3rd party something like this.
THERE IS A MAN WITH A GUN AND HE IS ACTING CRAZY!
The officers have to respond and do exactly what that officer did.
The officer did a good job. A call like that will come in 3rd party something like this.
THERE IS A MAN WITH A GUN AND HE IS ACTING CRAZY!
The officers have to respond and do exactly what that officer did.
If I am driving behind you, can I call the cops telling them "there is an s2000 driving 170mph, doing donuts on the highway while smoking crack and drinking a bottle of scotch, when all the while you are in the right lane doing 45?
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC' timestamp='1311657716' post='20815283
Those of you who think this cop was "nice" are the reason why we are losing rights left and right. The cop should be fired and then sued for "official oppression." Google that term if you don't know what that means.
Police have VERY LIMITED authority given to them by US, the people. They cannot CHOOSE what they can do. They have EXTREMELY specific boundaries that they must follow. If you choose to forego your rights, thats your business, but don't dare say "oh look the cop was nice" when he broke at least 3 laws ON CAMERA.
The video CLEARLY shows that the officer KNOWS that he is overstepping his authority. He KNOWS that in NO STATE, is ANYONE required to provide physical ID (like a DL) outside of a vehicle. Name is good enough, and in the video, you clearly see the officer acknowledges that, but the problem is HE STILL TRIED. For states with a stop and identify law, there MUST be a RAS of a crime and detainment.
Furthermore, he has no right to touch the guys gun. Just like a cop has no right to touch your iphone, the gun is legal, no crime is being committed, and yet the cop is all let me check it for safety blah blah blah. The cop needs more training.
The funny thing is, cops on the most part are SO corrupt and dickheaded, that cops like these, while breaking laws, actually look good....and the secondary problem is that many people buy this koolaid, and don't see what is ACTUALLY going on.
Go to the 9 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=pUd_00Xrf_U
Now take a look at this video....long, but you better sit down....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The cops have been suspended and a full fledged IA investigation is underway....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The three videos are not that different, the difference is LANGUAGE, but the crimes being committed are actually quite similar.
Police have VERY LIMITED authority given to them by US, the people. They cannot CHOOSE what they can do. They have EXTREMELY specific boundaries that they must follow. If you choose to forego your rights, thats your business, but don't dare say "oh look the cop was nice" when he broke at least 3 laws ON CAMERA.
The video CLEARLY shows that the officer KNOWS that he is overstepping his authority. He KNOWS that in NO STATE, is ANYONE required to provide physical ID (like a DL) outside of a vehicle. Name is good enough, and in the video, you clearly see the officer acknowledges that, but the problem is HE STILL TRIED. For states with a stop and identify law, there MUST be a RAS of a crime and detainment.
Furthermore, he has no right to touch the guys gun. Just like a cop has no right to touch your iphone, the gun is legal, no crime is being committed, and yet the cop is all let me check it for safety blah blah blah. The cop needs more training.
The funny thing is, cops on the most part are SO corrupt and dickheaded, that cops like these, while breaking laws, actually look good....and the secondary problem is that many people buy this koolaid, and don't see what is ACTUALLY going on.
Go to the 9 minute mark....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=pUd_00Xrf_U
Now take a look at this video....long, but you better sit down....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The cops have been suspended and a full fledged IA investigation is underway....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP...layer_embedded
The three videos are not that different, the difference is LANGUAGE, but the crimes being committed are actually quite similar.
I agree with you, but want to clarify something; The cop is allowed to examine the gun to ensure that it is unloaded per PC12031(e). That though, is the main part of the problem if the OP's video. It is a clear violation of the 4th amendment which protects people from warantless searches or seizures absent RAS, yet somehow this state decided that its OK to give up constitutional rights in order to gain a false sense of security by having cops be allowed to make sure peaceful and law abiding citizens arent actually retarded gang bangers that wear unloaded guns openly in belt holsters.
PC 12025 (f), unloaded firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of section 12025.
PC 12025 only applies to concealable firearms, which is defined in PC12001(a) as a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches. There is nothing prohibiting someone from carrying an unloaded, concealed rifle or shotgun on their person or in their vehicle unless the barrel is less than 16 inches.
PC 12031(g), A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm. **Case law now states the ammunition must be in a position from which is can be fired (People. v. Clark)
PC 12031(e), in order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for the purpose of enforcing this section, peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of this section.
In "People v. Clark" (1996), the California Court of Appeal clarified that in order to be "loaded" a firearm must have ammunition "placed into a position from which it can be fired." It even went so far as to point out as an example of what is not loaded to include shells attached to a shotgun inside a buttstock shell carrier. ** There is a common misconception that merely possessing both a firearm and ammunition in close proximity legally equates to loaded. This mistake stems from several PC sections that do not apply to PC 12031. 12001(j) only applies to 12023 (carry with intent to commit a felony). 12025(b)(6)(A) is a sentence enhancement which only applies if one violates 12025 (carrying concealed).
PC 12025 only applies to concealable firearms, which is defined in PC12001(a) as a pistol, revolver or firearm with a barrel less than 16 inches. There is nothing prohibiting someone from carrying an unloaded, concealed rifle or shotgun on their person or in their vehicle unless the barrel is less than 16 inches.
PC 12031(g), A firearm shall be deemed to be loaded for the purposes of this section when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm. **Case law now states the ammunition must be in a position from which is can be fired (People. v. Clark)
PC 12031(e), in order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for the purpose of enforcing this section, peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of this section.
In "People v. Clark" (1996), the California Court of Appeal clarified that in order to be "loaded" a firearm must have ammunition "placed into a position from which it can be fired." It even went so far as to point out as an example of what is not loaded to include shells attached to a shotgun inside a buttstock shell carrier. ** There is a common misconception that merely possessing both a firearm and ammunition in close proximity legally equates to loaded. This mistake stems from several PC sections that do not apply to PC 12031. 12001(j) only applies to 12023 (carry with intent to commit a felony). 12025(b)(6)(A) is a sentence enhancement which only applies if one violates 12025 (carrying concealed).
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Good job what? That the taxpayers just wasted gas of a PD car, that could have been solving an ACTUAL crime...I dunno...in CA, there seems to be better things for police to spend their time on than checking the chambers of open carriers...
Let me ask you...how many empty chambers do you think are in South Central or in Compton....maybe they can swing by and check out their chambers....?
Let me ask you...how many empty chambers do you think are in South Central or in Compton....maybe they can swing by and check out their chambers....?
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Here is the video....check out the FB page of the guy who got shot....here was so high on coke that it saved his life...tard took two .45s and survived.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
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Do you live in a basement and not get out much.....
From a previous thread. This guy has alot of rage against police.
Originally Posted by dirtykoala' timestamp='1302485778' post='20451133
I hate cops because they enforce unconstitutional laws and also because people being forced to pay for police "protection" via taxes is clearly extortion, especially when cops have no duty to protect you.
Calling cops when someone is going to kill you won't really help. They will most likely just show up as an investigatory service as to now your murder took place.
Calling cops when someone is going to kill you won't really help. They will most likely just show up as an investigatory service as to now your murder took place.
From a previous thread. This guy has alot of rage against police.
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Here is the video....check out the FB page of the victim...here was so high on coke that it saved his life...tard took two .45s and survived.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
good video. it sucks that it has to be unloaded, but like i said before. its either carry and unloaded gun, or take your phone out, call the cops, explain that you are currently being punched in the face, then wait for 4-6 mins for cops to get there.
i'd rather take my chances at needing to use 2 seconds to load a gun than wait for cops (that dont have a duty to protect me anyway).
http://www.youtube.com/user/badace?b.../6/_B8WEPRaNX8
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Wow, some of you guys seem to just be looking to go out of your way to turn a decent situation into a chance to complain.
The cop in the video was doing his job, and doing it politely and respectfully.
Newsflash: Some people don't like guns. And cops have a responsibility to make sure that someone walking down the street is carrying legally. So what's the big deal? No harm, no foul. Wanna increase you likelihood of NOT get stopped for 3 minutes by a cop? Don't strap a gun to your waist. Simple as that. Otherwise, you deal with the possible implications of a law officer making sure you're not up to no good. How dare he.
< And yes, I'm a gun rights advocate.
The cop in the video was doing his job, and doing it politely and respectfully.
Newsflash: Some people don't like guns. And cops have a responsibility to make sure that someone walking down the street is carrying legally. So what's the big deal? No harm, no foul. Wanna increase you likelihood of NOT get stopped for 3 minutes by a cop? Don't strap a gun to your waist. Simple as that. Otherwise, you deal with the possible implications of a law officer making sure you're not up to no good. How dare he.
< And yes, I'm a gun rights advocate.
1)People not liking guns....I don't like Kimchi...let's detain all Koreans and check them for it...see what I did there? Kimchi and guns are both LEGAL. No difference between the two.
3)Cops do NOT have the right to stop you and check if you are carrying legally. Checking your CCW IMPLIES you are a criminal WITHOUT a CCW...without a reason to stop you, police are NOT allowed to search a damn thing. The officer has no RIGHT to make sure you are "up to no good." Do you think it's ok for a cop to see if you are up to no good if your skin is brown? How about a sideways cap? How about if you talk like dis foo? It is LEGAL to wear a sideways cap, it is LEGAL to talk like you never went past 3rd grade, and it is LEGAL to carry a gun on your waist.
Last time I bought an axe from home depot for my camping trip, and I walked it home (past a precinct mind you) I didn't have a cop stop and see if I was up to no good. I would think it's pretty weird for a guy dressed in a suit to be walking around with an axe through a park FULL of children and mommies in broad daylight, but for some reason, no one batted an eye.
Any REASONABLE person would think that ANYONE carrying OPENLY is a law abiding citizen, and is NOT up to no good. Gangbangers don't usually walk past cops with a visible gun, much less in a holster.
In the video, the cops is ADMITTING he is in the wrong, without actually saying it. If you know what to listen for, it is CLEAR as day.
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC' timestamp='1311661164' post='20815379
Here is the video....check out the FB page of the victim...here was so high on coke that it saved his life...tard took two .45s and survived.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
I can't find the full length unedited video, this one is from a news story. The original video is MUCH more telling and shows the events better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz4tOc1GLgo
http://gunguynextdoor.blogspot.com/2...stings-of.html
The shooter is an active member of another forum I am on, and said that he only had one arm free (you can kind of see it in the video, since he is fighting off the assailant with the other hand. As a result, if he didn't have a round in the chamber (much less no magazine in the gun) there is NO WAY he would have been able to defend himself.
good video. it sucks that it has to be unloaded, but like i said before. its either carry and unloaded gun, or take your phone out, call the cops, explain that you are currently being punched in the face, then wait for 4-6 mins for cops to get there.
i'd rather take my chances at needing to use 2 seconds to load a gun than wait for cops (that dont have a duty to protect me anyway).
http://www.youtube.com/user/badace?b.../6/_B8WEPRaNX8
1)If you have one hand free, you are SOL.
2)Under extreme stress and a dire situation, you would not be able to load that. I can actually load my glock FASTER than that video shows, but again, in a REAL dire situation who knows.