Mature statement.

Consider that the issue here is not the "eating" of the animals...it's the inhumane treatment. Animals should die decently and NOT be skinned alive...that is the major issue I have.

Similar to the ones who are fishing Hammerheads in the Pacific and cutting their fins and then tossing them overboard to die. Senseless.

 

Welcome to planet Earth....

These are simple facts of life. Perhaps we should hunt down orcas for playing/tormenting their food before eating them? What about predators that go after the young? That's not fair at all. There are little microorganisms that will melt the flesh from your bone, why are you worried about what happens to rabbit fur? Please don't assume their "thoughts" are on the same level as humans. They do not know WTF is happening to them, they are simply dying. The rest is the reaction of their nervous system. Whereas a human might contemplate, "Oh my skin is being ripped off well how do I feel about this?", all other animals are going to do is release neurotransmitters that relay a signal and eventually tell their brain something bad is going on. They don't sit there and despise you.

That's why you can skin one rabbit, and keep another as a pet, and it literally will not know any better. Dying is dying. I've never heard of a decent death in the animal kingdom. Hyenas will begin eating their prey before it has had a chance to die. All they need is for it to be down on the ground, whether it's exhausted, or wounded, it doesn't matter, because they're about to eat. All they know is survival.

You either make it, or you're injured, or you die...

Aside from endgangered or threatened species, you should be more adamant in making sure animals are used completely. That is, if you're going to take it's fur, take the meat as well. I'd be more upset with wasting food, with all the starving mouths in this world, than how you skin an animal. People seem to overlook the fact that you're still KILLING an animal... Whether your human gift of reasoning feels ok about it or not is a different issue.

 

I guess my rationale is that I'm a human (not a hyena or something incapable of complex thought and feeling) and therefore _KNOW_ what the animal _must_ be feeling because I can only imagine what I would feel. And because I'm a human and want to be HUMANE, I would rather see an animal that is skinned be killed, then skinned and I'm with you, use their meat to feed someone...not just waste it.

It's similar to what a fish must feel being cleaned alive...gasping for air...becuase the fish is incapable of screaming, are we to imagine the fish can't feel pain??

 

"Incapable of screaming" see that's where you're missing the point. Fish don't scream. The reason you see them gaping their mouths open like theyre in agony is because their nerves and muslces work in conjunction for one sole purpose, and that is to propel water in through their gills in order for them to breathe. When that does not happen, their nerves induce fits, which is why they start flapping around. It's not like they are failing to say "OMFG LET ME BACK IN THE WATER", it is simply a nervous reaction. They do not sit and think, "ok I have about 3 minutes until I die...".

Pain is pain, everything on earth with some form of a nervous system feels pain. But pain is not an EMOTION in this sense. Pain is a nervous reaction set up by the brain (or lesser equivalent). It's a bunch of chemicals inducing a reaction along many many neurons. It is not the gut wrenching pain of watching another human die. That is despair, sadness, grief. And unless you have crossed the boundary from life --> death, you cannot say that you KNOW what the animal feels. How do you know that a bullet to the head feels "nicer" than being skinned alive? If we're talking intensity vs longevity, we still do not know the intensity of immediate death.

Be sure to make the distinction between a physical reflex to certain stimuli, and human emotions. Like you said, you are a HUMAN, NOT a fish/hyena/etc.

The hyenas do not understand emotion, which is why they do not care that the water buffalo is still breathing and staring back at the pack of wild dogs as it tears open it's gut and begins consuming.

A fish swimming around has eyes and a sense of taste, hearing, smell, etc. It gather information, and reacts the way a fish would. It doesn't have time to think. It's born with a specific set of chemical possibilities and it will follow those possibilities until it dies.

 

Well said...this has been stimulating! Thanks for that! True, I am clearly connecting the reaction as pain as emotion.

Knowing that the fish needs the water to live, depriving the fish and seeing the reaction and feeling it as pain evokes the emotion.

When I'm happy, I think my dog is happy. When I'm sad, I think my dog is sad. Truth is, my dog is thinking only of when he'll eat again.

 

This could lead into the issue of drugs, specifically psychedelics, since they aid the mind in escaping the threshold of simple survival, and allows you to experience a variety of emotions that you might never experience in your life. If you don't want to do drugs, fasting is another way to achieve this "breakthrough".

 

Has anyone heard a pig scream? It's akin to a baby being killed.

 

Always remember that there's plenty of room for all of God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy on my plate.

During my dove hunt this year I got to punch a skinny a$$ vegan eating PETA prlck protesting the start of dove season. After I punched him as he was bent over in pain, my hunting buddy yanked his pants off on a major street in Yuma. Now that was funny. He was lucky I didn't go all Cheney on his group.

 

Yeah, that's real mature behavior WFO Racer. Do you get a rise in sharing that story?? Doubt it's even true.

 

Gee dad, do I get a time out now?

Don't care what you think , and I have done worse. Got a little anger management problem.

They got in the way of my hobby and last I checked this was a free country and a legal activity.

Go back and hug a tree!