yeh they serve that on the military bases.....

 

[QUOTE=autechre,Jul 23 2004, 05:31 AM] Sounds like you have an agenda. But fine, let's discuss.

Last time I checked, fetuses are rarely tortured, mistreated, and thrown into over crowded bins with other fetuses before they're aborted.

 

no agenda at all. and I think everyone has made valid arguments (and I do agree w/ the comment about the lives the animals lead before they are killed...i.e. after I saw a truckload of chickens smashed in their cages going to slaughter, I have had a really hard time eating chicken since then).

I guess what I was getting at was that it seems to me that people often appear to put more importance/concern into the lives of animals rather than other humans. Not that we shouldnt look out for the best interests of animals, but I think a human life is worth more than that of an animal.

Again, no agenda here, I was just trying to start a thought provoking discussion. Like I said, I do agree with a lot of the arguments everyone else has made. I like to hear other people's points of view and hopefully am able to take away some new information from each.

 

i don't think that is an accurate statement at all. i'm sure people who are strong supporters of animal rights are equally concerned with human rights. the difference is that human rights, at least in the U.S., have been more or less covered thoroughly in U.S. laws. there is no point in protesting against human torture or murder in the U.S. because those actions are clearly illegal and the justice and law enforcement system knows exactly what steps to take in those situations. as for animal rights, the laws are not as thorough and/or encompassing and the justice and law enforcement agencies are not as motivated or keen in pursuing those types of violations unless and until groups like animal rights groups make a big display of it. also, keep in mind that there do exist human rights group in the U.S. that are just as passionate, if not more, than the animal rights group when it comes to "human rights violations" particualarly those that occur in foreign countries. as for abortion, that is a completely different and complicated issue, which revolves mainly around the "legal" and/or "ethical" definition of what constitutes to be a living human being. the problem is that different groups have their own different definitions, and unless and until the 2 groups come to agree to the same definition (which will never happen), the issue will never be resolved.

 

again poor chickens...dude should be locked in a small room full of pissed off chickens who saw what was going on...

 

The really sad thing is, a chicken would never intentionally hurt another living thing for no reason, even revenge.

 

^ survival of the fittest, man. if chickens ever evolve to plot strategical revenge on the humans, then maybe they will become the dominant specie on the planet. until, then they will remain to be livestock bred for human consumption.

 

Survival of the fittest is no longer applicable to species that are factory grown. If you were to say they're obviously not 'fit', yet continue to survive because we want them to, I'd say you're on the right track. But then you have to consider that we're growing them in an environment (factory) that we've created in which, for the most part, they ARE 'fit' to survive... This then removes their need and ability for adaptation for survival. What you have now is not an animal in the traditional natural sense, but rather a living product grown in a controlled environment. And then you have a couple of desensitized assholes stomping on them.

 

survival of the fittest always apply. even though these chickens are bred and grown under controlled conditions, genetic mutation continues to occur. if, hypothetically, mutation grants one or more of the offspring chickens with more strength, mental capacity, or what not, these chickens may in turn find a way to escape, where the can remain in hiding in the wild. throughout that time, they may continue to evolve into a specie of chicken that becomes more intelligent, stronger, etc., to the point where one day they surpass the humans' physical and mental capabilities, whereby, they can plan and attack the humans to become the dominant specie on the planet. of course all this is merely hypothetically and will most likely never happen, but the point remains that as long as genetic mutation occurs, survival of the fittest will always apply.

 

Does this mean we should start preparing for the great war against our future chicken overlords?