Pulled Over & Discriminated
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From: Laurel
JRM --
I knew I was right about you. You'd probably be a great trainer. You also, I think, have the political savvy of a lieutenant. And I thought your answers were thoughtful.
A couple of clarifying points and I'll let you go.
1. You never heard of beat the runners? Life must be real different in the midwest. It goes something like this: "When a bad guy runs from you, you are obliged to beat him so he won't run from the next guy."
2. On racial profiling: Officers do it because they believe it's the most likely way to make an arrest. Every written profile has race well toward the top. The reason they think it works is because it is done so frequently that it skews the profile. If officers target guys with blue eyes because statistics show that blue-eyed guys commit more crimes, the resulting statistics WILL show a correlation between blue eyes and criminal activity.
3. On longer training cycles: Young guys alone in dangerous situations with guns just seems like asking for anxiety-based decisions, which is I'll bet you know, the worst basis for a choice. Having someone to remind you to stop and take a breath will, I think, save lives. Five years sounds perhaps impractical but about right. I think most coverups are around accidental shootings. Same sort of thing routinely happens in ERs.
Lastly, I do think, and have thought, for a long time that use of force/intimidation as a primary safety tactic is counter-productive. For example, many fewer disturbed people get hurt or killed in PDs where they have crisis intervention teams. What few have figured out, though, is how valuable these kinds of tactics are for ensuring safety of both officers and detainees.
I knew I was right about you. You'd probably be a great trainer. You also, I think, have the political savvy of a lieutenant. And I thought your answers were thoughtful.
A couple of clarifying points and I'll let you go.
1. You never heard of beat the runners? Life must be real different in the midwest. It goes something like this: "When a bad guy runs from you, you are obliged to beat him so he won't run from the next guy."
2. On racial profiling: Officers do it because they believe it's the most likely way to make an arrest. Every written profile has race well toward the top. The reason they think it works is because it is done so frequently that it skews the profile. If officers target guys with blue eyes because statistics show that blue-eyed guys commit more crimes, the resulting statistics WILL show a correlation between blue eyes and criminal activity.
3. On longer training cycles: Young guys alone in dangerous situations with guns just seems like asking for anxiety-based decisions, which is I'll bet you know, the worst basis for a choice. Having someone to remind you to stop and take a breath will, I think, save lives. Five years sounds perhaps impractical but about right. I think most coverups are around accidental shootings. Same sort of thing routinely happens in ERs.
Lastly, I do think, and have thought, for a long time that use of force/intimidation as a primary safety tactic is counter-productive. For example, many fewer disturbed people get hurt or killed in PDs where they have crisis intervention teams. What few have figured out, though, is how valuable these kinds of tactics are for ensuring safety of both officers and detainees.
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From: Providence
When I had my 2000 Eclipse I had it lowered with dual exhaust pipes and 18 inch rims. I got pulled over almost once a week for cops to tell me I was speeding and other bull but I know what it was, I was an 19 year old black kid in a "souped up" car. They probably looked at me and immediately assumed I couldnt afford that car. All I did since I knew I was clean and so was the car was hand over my Liscense, Registration and Insurance papers sat back and waited for the cop to come back with my stuff. By the way I only ever got one ticket for doing 85 in a 55.
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From: Evanston
Of all things that one can be arrested for, I'd take a ticket for loitering any day. Demand a jury trial and tie up their court for a few days. Explain to the jury why you got the ticket and bring in the other guys to corroborate your story.
Of course you pay a price: a few days off work and maybe a small fine.
But I wouldn't let someone trash my S2000
Of course you pay a price: a few days off work and maybe a small fine.
But I wouldn't let someone trash my S2000
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From: Winter Springs
There is a solution to this problem
I have done this in my NSX, but not the S2K yet. I give them a ride in the car, before long the whole department knows your car and leaves you alone.
I should also mention that I'm a CPA, I do most of their tax returns, and you do not want to piss off the man playing with your taxes
I have done this in my NSX, but not the S2K yet. I give them a ride in the car, before long the whole department knows your car and leaves you alone.I should also mention that I'm a CPA, I do most of their tax returns, and you do not want to piss off the man playing with your taxes
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From: The BadLands
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amartin
[B]Well... If you feel like you've done absolutely NOTHING wrong, and are a minority... (I have no idea how this would hold up--- lawyers respond!?)... Consider buying a $20 small recorder and indicate to the officer as he approaches that this conversation is being recorded-- on the recording so that both parties (You and he) are aware of the recording.
[B]Well... If you feel like you've done absolutely NOTHING wrong, and are a minority... (I have no idea how this would hold up--- lawyers respond!?)... Consider buying a $20 small recorder and indicate to the officer as he approaches that this conversation is being recorded-- on the recording so that both parties (You and he) are aware of the recording.