cool story, bro. i didnt say the law is flexible, i can and do fill out my own time card (i dont see who else would do it since no one else knows how long i worked, lol), i dont think i could do much to my employer for my timecard because my timecard is approved by me, so i wouldnt have much of a case saying that i worked more or less than i said i did, i dont think any employee is going to file a wage claim that empties my employers 60mil in reserves, i also doubt that any fine is going to be 60mil, cool idea though man, i also dont live in nyc, so maybe things are more magical over there or something. over here, when i enter a time card that says i worked for 8 hours, and then i approve my time card for 8 hours, i get paid for 8 hours.
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Ignore him. He's yet another clueless know-it-all telling stories on the internet. He hasn't the slightest understanding of the relevant laws or how they differ state to state or even by organization size, all his "knowledge" comes from talk radio and mostly fictional anecdotes from colleagues. The idea that an employee *cannot* fill out their own timecard just demonstrates how ignorant he really is when it comes to how the world works. Don't tell him that though, he personally manages 400 employees on the internet. He probably thinks he is some sort of big shot. Too bad he's firing blanks.
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No, it's just two clueless jackasses patting each other on the back is fun to argue with. An hourly timeclock MUST be done by a third party, not by an employer and NOT by an employee, such as a computerized system or a manual punch clock. How does an employer know you aren't just writing in whatever you want?

 

How does an employer know you aren't just clocking in and out whenever you want? Or that someone else isn't punching your card for you?

 

proper management?

 

This would be against the law AGAINST the OP. Breaks MUST be documented (reflected on time cards) or else they never happened. How will you prove that the employee took a break? Time card is ALL the labor department cares about. Hourly employees MUST punch a clock, whether computerized or classic time cards.
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The query was simply, can an employee, the one in question, clock in 15 minutes before say an 8AM start and after say a 4Pm finish? WHat happens in between I'm not asking about.

So put simply can an employee clock more than 8 hours a day, specifically does this employee do that?
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The employee would be required to be paid overtime for anything over 8 hours punched in, and the break time MUST be in the middle of the shift, not before/after.
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Right, which for an hourly worker, your not going to roll up ahead of time an not punch in. I'd doubt the worker is punching time enough for overtime.

That said, how much time is this employee possibly scamming and what is it worth?