Using that logic, Section 8 tenants deserve to abuse the welfare system because they have to deal with the discrimination and other inconveniences of being poor. I'm with prodigy....sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

 

The poor be they white, black or blue get slammed b/c they are taking advantage of the system....whoa they really get 20000 a year instead of 12000 a year and the tax payers have to suck up difference. Big deal the gov't wastes more money on buidling parks than this crap...

What about the rich white collar workers that send thousands of people into the poor house as well as take their 401k benefits but just get 2 years probabtion meanwhile in Poorville Sally stills a 2000 from a bank and get 10 years..WTF

I guess that is the justice system blind only when you are rich....

 

no there is a difference.

white collar putting in resources and work to build a home for poor. - adding to society, while ****ing the system

poor folk screwing welfare system because they can - detracting from society or adding nothing, while ****ing the system

 

whats worth more to society? taking money from a low risk criminal and reinvesting the funds into society

vs sending a poor guy with high tendency of violent crime to prison with no prospect of collecting any recovery.

obviously if the poor had money they would benefit society more if they could just pay the fine and be good little boyz.

 

...that's assuming they're not contributing in other ways to society. They may be volunteering, they may be caregivers for elderly parents or disabled family members...There are several possibilities that looking in from the outside, we just don't know.

 

a volunteer living in section 8 on welfare? wtf are they volunteering for? serving food at a shelter...to themselves!?

thats the problem with welfare right there, it gives no incentive for people to move up. it allows an individual to wallow in their menial volunteer job.

being a caregiver to the elderly or disabled family members only help themselves and their own family. additionally, the disabled and elderly also receive compensation already!

if you do not allow the contractors to "take advantage" of the system - nothing gets done, no new houses are built - which is a negative thing

if you do not allow welfare folks to "take advantage" of the system - they might just be forced to improved themselves - which is a positive thing.

 

this is the opposite of true

 

There are countless volunteer opportunities that don't involve helping poor people.

On the contrary...When people are contributing to society (whether it be paid or volunteer work), it improves their sense of self-worth. People are much more likely to be productive members of society if they feel they actually deserve to succeed. Volunteer work can be the beginnings of improved self-esteem and provide people who have limited work experience with not only more experience, but also references to help them obtain paid work.

In terms of caregiving...I'm guessing you haven't filled this role. To say that it is only helping yourself/family is off the mark. It lessens the pressure on social service agencies who are swamped trying to assist other people. I don't understand why you mentioned the elderly and disabled being financially supported. My point was that people on welfare may be contributing in ways you aren't aware of.

To say that it is necessary for contractors to scam the system in order for new housing to be built makes absolutely no sense to me. Care to elaborate? Just because there is a benefit (ie new housing) does not mean it's okay to scam the system IMO.

 

I am confused...I did not say anything about violent crime...I was just pointing out that on one hand you have an individual stealing a few thousand dollars and the other you have a rich guy trying to get even richer by sending middle class Americans to the poor house...it just doesn't add up.

Again I am not defending the petty thief but at the same time the punishment needs to fit the crime...and probation for the white collar scam artist doesn't fit!!!!

 

there is no reason why the city / state gov't cannot find non-scamming contractors to do the work. Instead it is the good old boy network of gifts and overbilling.

This is the same as the Section 8 case worker should also not be approving houses that are 40-50% more monthly rent than other are asking for a very similar house. Maybe the case worker gets something back? maybe they just don't care?

In all of this the white collar guy is making way too much $ but everyone ignores it (or for some reason encourages it like trainwreck), but the tenants are the only scumbags in the eyes of the public....