Oak leaves aren't very good at treating underlying anxiety and other psychological disorders (at least not beyond the obvious short term), but they sure are good at treating the symptoms, i.e. acid reflux, nausea, stomach discomfort. Long live the oak tree.

 

I have friends that graduated from NYU (where the daughter is a grad student) & they say NYU has a high suicide rate.

 

how sad.. RIP

 

This touches on how how I perceive the "perspective" comment.

The human brain will probably take us longer to understand than the "reason we're here". I realize that counseling is only truly helpful in cases where mental imbalance is not the issue (physical brain problems, whatever they are, ie. chemical) those require drugs Tx or more drastic measures like surgery etc.. However many people have a powerful ability, to separate themselves from their emotions long enough to logically approach their issues.

I'll give a personal story here, when I was going through my divorce many years ago I initially had a tremendously hard time. I was the biggest pansy. Mostly all I did was think and at that trying to do so logically. I thank god I had the ability to do just that. I found myself going through a dramatic change. For quite sometime afterwards I became much more compassionate and understanding of others feelings as well as my own. I think, I was a better person then, than now. That has subsided quite a bit. I'm trying to get back to the spot again. I had always been "mature" but I can truly say that, because of that inflection, within a rather short time I grew as a person. It is apparent to me now that whatever gets thrown at me,while I will probably still be emotionally upset, I'll get through it.

People don't often learn this perspective even after years of therapy. I don't know what switches it on and I most certainly don't know how to teach it. It just is for me and probably for many others but I don't know how other people see the world or rather their world. Like colors, i see blue but if you could see my perception of blue you might think it was green. We can never tell for sure but we can get an idea by listening.

Therapists are there to try to help people come to realizations themselves, usually for the immediate situation and past ones that contribute to how the person is reacting currently to the adversity of said situation If only we could teach the ability to put aside ones emotions long enough to logically think out how best to handle ones emotional reactions to a challenging situation/event.

Understanding every persons mind is impossible, but we can study people enough to form a set of guides as to what works for segments of the population. That's the best I think psychology will ever be able to do. Magic pills will only ever go so far. Learning how other people perceive the world, listening to how others cope, developing a sense of empathy/sympathy, and persevering though lifes problems helps. Everyone should live through some tragedy and focus on how to find a way out.

I truly feel sorry for those that can't make it to the other end of a tragedy. I wish there was something I could do to help but I know all I can do is listen to anyone that I meet that is in emotional pain. No matter how much I want to shake them or smack them upside the head the reality stands. Any of us saying do this or think that way isn't going to help someone in intense emotional pain.

Here's what we all should take away from this discussion.

When you see someone struggling, even ones we don't know say at a bar or crying in a parking lot, listen. Start up that conversation and do everything you can to make them feel comfortable enough to talk about their problems, no matter how much you want to roll your eyes at them, listen and try not to give snap judgments/advice. Rather give whatever help you can softly and with compassion. Try to be empathetic. While the problem they are going through right now might seem to you to be simple and they might sound over dramatic they didn't live your life, so they obviously didn't learn your lessons or they wouldn't be reacting this way. I equate it to the first time someone took candy from you when you were baby, you cried, pouted, threw a tantrum etc... but now you wouldn't get as upset. Well this person is going through X now and it might be their first time so listen to them. All this summed up in one sentence........

The way out of inner turmoil is through a kind ear.....























Now that I've been a big pansy I'm going to have to find a cute little bunny to shoot. (j/k)

 

man thats so sad

may she find in the afterlife what she could not find among us. RIP

 

aren't all suiciders supposed to go to hell??

 

Yes, but I hope she had a good enough reason to end her life so God may reconsider her to Heaven. Positive thoughts never hurt anyone

 

She could always "Hang-around" purgatory...


Oops sorry no pun intended.

maybe a pun was intended.

 

No respect for depressed individuals and/or those who have died, ITS NO WONDER YOUR CULTURE HAS SUCH A HIGH SUICIDE RATE!!!

You're clueless.

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I completly agree with him, Suicide is the easy way out and you owe it to your parents who gave you life and raised you to at least attempt to make the most out of it. Maybe he didn't word it well but suicide is not the answer.