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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Nov 22 2010, 02:39 PM
you sound like an obama supporter.
come on back to reality with us. as I said earlier in this thread. its much cheaper on society to just kill the bastard in your house then to let him rob you and maybe a few others, possibly hurt someone and then end up in prison which we have to pay for.
its easier to just end it right there for everyone.
You sound like someone who has a fetish for objects his parents forbid him to touch.

I grew up around guns. I know how to use them and what they can do. I enjoy hunting, target practice, and just shooting popcans. I'm a better shot than most people I know. I'm almost better than my dad, but I've seen my grandfather make some shots I still don't think are possible.

What a gun IS NOT is a shield. Lots of people think a gun will "make them safe." It won't. It will just make them the first target in any room.

Suppose you are faced with three guys who just broke into your house. You had time to grab your gun from under your pillow. You can now see the three fellows at the bottom of the steps, and you can see one of them has a pistol in his hand. Who do you shoot at first?

Now imagine you break into a house with your buddies to steal some crap. You know it's a bad idea but you just want to get out of here without getting caught. It's going to be the end of your world if you don't get some cash, like *right now.* You have your hand on your gun in your sweatshirt pocket the whole time in case some crazy is here. Once you are all inside the door, some guy comes down the steps and you can see the gun in his hand, and by the look of things he's planning to shoot someone. What do you do with your gun, drop it? Or use it?

I'm not going to shed any tears at the killing of anyone who went out to buy a gun to kill people. As far as I'm concerned, good riddance. I don't care if they were a homeowner or a crackhead, they had murder on the mind and did their best to make it happen.

It *is* much cheaper on society to pay for insurance and let your stuff get replaced rather than run around looking for people to kill.

Does anybody think it would be OK if their neighbor chased a guy out into the street and beat them to death with a baseball bat for trespassing?
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimoGen,Nov 22 2010, 04:59 PM
if you are not at home your house is as protected as it can be....I think common sense would tell most people:


hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide your husbands cause they is raping everybody out here!!!!!!


Seriously though..... a decent alarm, locked windows and doors, motion lights and a barking dog is about the best you can do when not a t home
Exterior lights are probably the most effective deterrent. Nobody likes breaking the law under a spotlight. Motion lights are probably the nicest solution for most people.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Nov 22 2010, 05:50 PM
Look, I won't cry for any criminal who loses his life because he was stupid enough to break into someone else's house.

But I won't feel bad for someone who loses a dozen years of his life when the 1 bullet hole in the wall and two in the ground at point blank range don't match up with a "self defense" argument.

Shoot to stop the threat. If the bastard dies in the process, so be it.
Great idea. So when he's in prison, he calls his friends to kill your wife and kids.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Nov 22 2010, 02:50 PM
Shoot to stop the threat. If the bastard dies in the process, so be it.
A few of the main things taught in Concealed Carry Weapon class are:

"Never draw your weapon if you don't plan on using it."
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"Shoot to kill."

If you just want to scare your intruder, do so with the "Click-Clack" of a pump action shotty before you put a whole in their chest.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NuncoStr8,Nov 22 2010, 05:00 PM
You sound like someone who has a fetish for objects his parents forbid him to touch.

I grew up around guns. I know how to use them and what they can do. I enjoy hunting, target practice, and just shooting popcans. I'm a better shot than most people I know. I'm almost better than my dad, but I've seen my grandfather make some shots I still don't think are possible.

What a gun IS NOT is a shield. Lots of people think a gun will "make them safe." It won't. It will just make them the first target in any room.

Suppose you are faced with three guys who just broke into your house. You had time to grab your gun from under your pillow. You can now see the three fellows at the bottom of the steps, and you can see one of them has a pistol in his hand. Who do you shoot at first?

Now imagine you break into a house with your buddies to steal some crap. You know it's a bad idea but you just want to get out of here without getting caught. It's going to be the end of your world if you don't get some cash, like *right now.* You have your hand on your gun in your sweatshirt pocket the whole time in case some crazy is here. Once you are all inside the door, some guy comes down the steps and you can see the gun in his hand, and by the look of things he's planning to shoot someone. What do you do with your gun, drop it? Or use it?

I'm not going to shed any tears at the killing of anyone who went out to buy a gun to kill people. As far as I'm concerned, good riddance. I don't care if they were a homeowner or a crackhead, they had murder on the mind and did their best to make it happen.

It *is* much cheaper on society to pay for insurance and let your stuff get replaced rather than run around looking for people to kill.

Does anybody think it would be OK if their neighbor chased a guy out into the street and beat them to death with a baseball bat for trespassing?
I grew up in michigan a fairly large amount of sportsmen in that state and own quite a few diffent guns for different hunting situations. I also have a .45 beretta which I shoot rounds off with at a local range about once a month. I grew up in a family of trap/skeet shooters and have been hunting white tails since I was 13. point is I can handle a weapon fairly well, granted probably not aswell as a military trained person or police officer, but I could easily put a hole in somebody within 25 feet.

I would CERTAINLY hope you are correct in the situation that they would aim at the guy holding the gun, as I have a wife to protect.


I don't feel sorry for anyone that makes the piss poor decsion to allow themselves the thought of going into someone elses house and taking what they have earned. I certainly won't feel remorse for them while my pit bull is tearing there calf muscle off and I am popping rounds into their chest. I'm sorry but a hollow point at close range is going to do some damage regardless of where it hits.

I don't need an increase in insurance premiums that happens enough as it is. Besides that why would I want the capitalist system to pay for what I can take care off judge jury and executioner.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr2oD3,Nov 22 2010, 05:42 PM
A few of the main things taught in Concealed Carry Weapon class are:

"Never draw your weapon if you don't plan on using it."
and
"Shoot to kill."

If you just want to scare your intruder, do so with the "Click-Clack" of a pump action shotty before you put a whole in their chest.
no way they are going to hear a click-clack in my household. already one in the chamber.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Nov 22 2010, 06:46 PM
no way they are going to hear a click-clack in my household. already one in the chamber.
This

Dont put yourself at an unfair advantage (unloaded gun), if they break in and have a gun, chances are its loaded.

You are ALREADY at a disadvantage if you are just waking up to the sound or your dog, alarm, or BG kicking in your door.

Dont believe that scare ppl with racking gun sounds BS...
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Nov 22 2010, 05:34 PM
Great idea. So when he's in prison, he calls his friends to kill your wife and kids.
Give it up. You aren't Rambo. You don't live in a movie. You won't hit your target under duress the first time it ever happens to you, but if your worst nightmare comes to pass, the other guy will have more than one gunshot scar. And won't be afraid of getting shot. You *will* be, and you *will* miss. People miss all the time at things that aren't going to shoot back. What hope do you really think you have against an armed assailant once they know you are trying to kill them?

Stop with the fantasy life and face facts. You prefer to think you are some master assassin because you own a gun. You aren't. You're just another guy who replaced his security blanket and teddy bear with a firearm. *That* attitude can get you killed. You watch too many movies.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Traveldude,Nov 22 2010, 07:18 AM
Dog.

Alarm System.

When you moved in did you have the locks changed?
It has been proven that all a burglar needs to do is give a dog treats to move his mind from whats going on. Getting a dog for protection is a bad idea.







Get a gun and change locks; and I don't mean that Kwikset garbage, I mean titanium shit.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Nov 22 2010, 05:43 PM
I grew up in michigan a fairly large amount of sportsmen in that state and own quite a few diffent guns for different hunting situations. I also have a .45 beretta which I shoot rounds off with at a local range about once a month. I grew up in a family of trap/skeet shooters and have been hunting white tails since I was 13. point is I can handle a weapon fairly well, granted probably not aswell as a military trained person or police officer, but I could easily put a hole in somebody within 25 feet.

I would CERTAINLY hope you are correct in the situation that they would aim at the guy holding the gun, as I have a wife to protect.


I don't feel sorry for anyone that makes the piss poor decsion to allow themselves the thought of going into someone elses house and taking what they have earned. I certainly won't feel remorse for them while my pit bull is tearing there calf muscle off and I am popping rounds into their chest. I'm sorry but a hollow point at close range is going to do some damage regardless of where it hits.

I don't need an increase in insurance premiums that happens enough as it is. Besides that why would I want the capitalist system to pay for what I can take care off judge jury and executioner.
This isn't a pissing contest. You aren't the only one who has shot a gun. I think of guns as a recreational toy to be used with respect and care. Not a magic wand. That's where we differ, I think.

The point is that as much as you think you are going to be Jason Bourne, you're really going to pull an Inspector Clouseau. If you've ever actually hunted deer, you know this. It's called "buck fever" in those circumstances.

I live in an inner city. I've had guns pointed at me. Guess what - I've not needed a gun to bo safe. Guess I have one up on you.

The pit bull won't protect you. It's a dog. It will bite someone, perhaps, but it's a dog. It'll bite you or your family as soon as a stranger. "Protection" dogs are better at biting the little girl down the street or your own child than bringing down a would-be killer. It's a dangerous line of thought to think a dog is a teddy bear made real. They don't think like you do.

Again, get a baseball bat and tell everyone you will beat to death anyone who comes on your property and see how many people think that's rational. Same instinct, same result, but somehow people get more squeamish when it's less romantic.

You are awfully confident in your ability to "put a hole in somebody within 25 feet," but the record shows that humans are remarkably poor shots at those ranges when the target is another human. Especially for the first time.

Give it some thought. A yard light is better protection against crime than an entire arsenal.
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