[QUOTE]Originally posted by robw01
[B]MindCore, please don't take this personally...

 

If you read what robw01 wrote...

He isn't saying don't respect people, he's saying don't try to shove what you want down others throats. I must say I agree with him. Can't people just understand that other people will have different beliefs and when they voice them let them do so without being attacked. For example, I have a friend who is very racist. I'm not by any means, but I understand that he has a RIGHT to his own views and when he voices those I don't tell him to shut up because it offends me. I respect his opinion (no matter how wrong I feel it is) because he has the right to have one. No one has ever said you should take to heart all that you hear other people say. My own $.02.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ltweintz
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If you read what robw01 wrote...



He isn't saying don't respect people, he's saying don't try to shove what you want down others throats.

 

First let me apologize for the long post, but this really burns me up!
Exactly why is enforcing political correctness necessary and exactly who determines what is politically correct? YOU???
You are only hearing half of what I am saying. Yes, you can say WHATEVER you feel like WHEREVER as long as it's not obscene or infringes on other's rights to do or say what they want! THAT IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH! If this prompts you to hate and violence, then maybe you have some personal issues to work out. MAY I REMIND YOU THAT YOU ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO LISTEN! THAT IS A FREEDOM AS WELL!

With that said, the only way you could convince me that DaRKCrow's sig should go would be to convince me that it is obscene. And that's not going to happen, because it is not. It may be offensive (and there is a difference between offensive and obscene), but then again if you find it so, turn of the sigs.

Let's turn the tables here... If I do something offensive, you want me to change it so you are not offended. But if I change so you are not offended, I have changed who I am FOR YOU. You know something... Your politically correct, holy-er than thou attitude offends me! Quit being a hypocrite and change YOUR offensive behaviour to suit my belief systems!!!
This comment makes me ill. You are not trying to make me change the way I live or think so that we would be identical, but I like to think of it as changing the way I live and think in order for us to be respectful and courteous of one another?

So you admit that you are trying to change the way I I live and think? WTF gives you the right to enforce your vision of a politically correct society on me FOR ANY REASON! You are correct that there is not enough respect and courtesy towards one another in this world. But if I want to be a flaming jackass, I have that right.
You have this all wrong. America is the great country it is because it IS OK to say these things. These things are offensive to most people, but we would not be where we are today if we DICTATED what people can say and believe.
Once again, what gives the PC crowd the right to dictate what exactly is a "better community?" From your arguement, a better community is one that limits freedom of expression so that no one is offended. You (the PC crowd) determines what is "acceptable" for the community and everything else should be discarded. In my arguement a better community is one that allows anyone to express themselves any way they want that doesn't infringe on the rights of others to do the same.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shamma1977
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I know he didn't say that, and I hope I didn't claim that he did either. Furthermore, I never claimed that I would like to shove what I want down people's throats.

Thats why I said this:

 

I just want to be clear about one more thing...

I'm not singling out Shamma1977. I have nothing against him personally. My issues are with all of those who feel they should be dictating and enforcing what is politically correct.

Then again... It's their right to believe that they should be able to do this!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ltweintz
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First off let me say I didn't think you were trying to shove anything down anyones throat.

 

Maybe it's time to remind everyone that within the confines of this forum, the owner of this forum (and/or his agents, the moderators) CAN dictate what goes on here. In this contect, it is not a democracy. If you don't like the way it is, you have the right to not come here.

"But if I want to be a flaming jackass, I have that right." That kinda says it all. There's no need to vote any more ladies and jellybeans, the envelope has arrived and we have another winner! And the award goes to............

 

Guys, guys, guys! Here's the point of the excercise. Although we have freedom of speech it doesn't mean that you run around saying things that will get your but kicked or upsetting an overly emotional person. What it means is simply using that privilage in a discerning fashion. You wouldn't walk into a bar full of cowboys an yell: your all a bunch of uneducated rednecks now would you. Not unless you were ready for an arse whoopen (plagerizing my friend Mikey)! There is a time and a place for everything. Understanding when and where is most essential for you mental as well as physical health. The apostal Paul said, am I not Jewish when with Jews, am I not a Roman when with Romans etc, these are words of understanding, wisdom and discression which allowed him to function as himself for God amidst strange people.

This is an open forum in which many people of all different nationalities participate. There are differences in culture as well a literary background. To communicate a message we do several thing and this means humbling ourselves so that other of lesser education can gain understanding. This raises our own understanding by speaking on terms that other may understand. You grow as a person who can adapt. I don't have to be from the UK or Australia to understand me mates. I adapt and live as they would to see their understanding. Guess what, I'm still in charge of who I am and what I understand. Nothing is lost, and everything is to be gained.

This being said, there are limits to everything! So not everything is a given all the time. Taking in consideration the basic morale laws of life. Librality,(Liberty & Freedom) doesn't mean that you are a self-center individual that does what he/she wants when he/she wants to despite others. It means that you allow others to enjoy the same freedom which you are able to excercise. If you do this, then aren't you giving yourself that same freedom instead of taking away? Tollerance, yes partly, but more like self-control! I'm not an extremeist. But I understand the mentality! So it's easy for me to adapt and be myself in most all situations. If you can't understand than ignore it! Blow it off or learn from it. Glean the good wheat and disgard the bad. These little personal conflicts from time to time serve a purpose. They'll happen time and time again because of peoples individual traditions (habits) and misunderstanding! Not a big deal unless you, and I say you, make it that way. Also, mind you everything isn't right or ok, but each of us have to find this out on our own. What's the most peacful way to avoid a physical confrontation? Walk away! Same with a verbal one Shut UP! Or at least try to understand the circumstances! Knowledge of the unknown, right! Freedom is about giving, not taking. You receive it if you give it. If you take it away from someone then you are bound by the same laws rather right or wrong. If you violate those laws by then doing what you want and not giving a person the same right then you are a law breaker, a hypocrite! And so on and so on.

DC doesn't offend me cause I've experienced far worse things. I don't care one way or the other what he does because it doesn't effect me. What are Marines taught? To adapt and overcome!! Simple, yet effective in all situations. If you can adapt to a given situation then you can overcome the adversity and knowledge will be yours.

Oh heck, I'm sorry about this disertation. Please forgive my lengthiness. I love talking about this stuff.

Cheers

Jeff

 

My oh My, you see what this leads too?

Ok First off for the record, DC's sig does not offend me personally. I like a nice ass as much as the next guy. But!!! that isn't the point.

I have said this before, This website is not America, nor Canada, nor any other Nation. While it may be located in the US, it does not mean that you can use the rights you have as Americans here, freely. There are specific rules here, which all must follow, Unconstitutional you say?? Not at all, read the first page of this site.. there lies the constitution here.

People can go on about free speech as long as they want, It won't change anyones mind. There are users here from countries where it is the most offensive thing to see a womens ankle. Are you saying that because of the free speach you enjoy, this should be allowed, and damn the rest??

There is a level ground here, I and the rest involved with this board are trying to find it..Everyday!

Read the last posts by JRM and XViper, they said it better then I can.

Everyone is so quick to say if you don't like it, don't look at it, change the channel, blah blah blah, thats a bullshit answer.
Everyone here should understand that this is a community, just like your own neighbourhood. Perhaps I'll put a billboard on my front lawn of my girlfriend bending over in here Gstring, I know I would like to wake up to this every morning, I'm sure others would as well, but what about the few on my block that are offended, should I say piss off!, its my yard and I'll do what want. Well I wouldn't because I have respect for the others around me. By removing it I will not lose my identity, I will not bow down to those trying to oppress me, or stifel my civil rights. I will however harbor an close knit community feel by acting in the best fashion of the common norm. Nothing more.

So I could type for hours, but you'll probably stop reading if you haven't all ready. So if you skipped past most of this let me sum it up.

1) The adminstrators of this board make the rules...Not me, not you.

2) Anything that they may deem offencive can be removed, with out polls, whining, or complaining about how you've been served an injustice.

3)If you can't self moderate, you force guys like me to make a decision. Do you want everything you type to be scrutinized by me alone? Didn't think so.

4) guys don't turn this into a battle.. it's something so ****ing simple, yet it turns out to be the war cry of the month.

If you don't like the way I do things, if you think I'm unfair. PM me. Thats what I'm here for. I'm not an authority figure. You don't have to fight me.


Mike