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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by my2ks2k,Oct 5 2007, 08:37 AM
maybe. but the cop was there observing your behavior. no one in the courtroom was....
One man in power is obviously more corruptable than a dozen + jurors. Also, giving one person that kind of absolute power is just asking for abuse...look at history.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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i'm not arguing for or against it...but to play devil's advocate, how often do people get stopped and/or arrested for something that the officer on scene viewed as dangerous, only to get off with a slap on the wrist after a judge and/or jury hears it? i'm not saying the police should be the end-all authority, just that we put these guys in a position of authority because we supposedly trust their judgment and integrity.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by my2ks2k,Oct 5 2007, 12:10 PM
i'm not arguing for or against it...but to play devil's advocate, how often do people get stopped and/or arrested for something that the officer on scene viewed as dangerous, only to get off with a slap on the wrist after a judge and/or jury hears it? i'm not saying the police should be the end-all authority, just that we put these guys in a position of authority because we supposedly trust their judgment and integrity.
The entire judicial system is based on the concept of taking ultimate authority out of one person's hands. How long before this translates over to other offenses on the street? Police issuing punishment on the street, deciding jail durations only with the opportunity for appeal AFTER the punishment/jail time has been served by the "offender."

Yes the police are supposed to be trusted and serve with integrity, but again even if we all forget the stories and accounts of situations where the police have lacked these qualities, there is still no opportunity for them to ever make an error without an innocent citizen paying the price.

There's no arguing that it's going to remove countless people from a position of endangering others, but our criminal/judicial system is set up to let multiple guilty people go rather than wrongly punish one innocent person. It errs on the side of caution to maintain freedom for those who are entitled to it. These types of laws remove that.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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Speed doesnt kill, reckless driving does. This whole about impounding cars and fines is just for TV. This is an easy way for the police and politians to show that they are actually doing something to make our roads "safer".

This is the same bullshit excuse for the helicopter. These guys were chasing down people racing in industrial areas at 4-5am in the morning. Like come on... Anyone there understands the risks they are taking, who are we protecting? And more importantly at what cost?

Finally, study after study, shows that the massive majority of drivers will drive at speeds that they feel are safe based on the conditions, ie. weather and traffic, and the average suggested speed after all these studies is 135km/h.

Why dont they raise the speed limits to adjust for the 99.9% of drivers who exceed the limit...easy because of the revenue they would lose. Why we need POLICE to be monitor traffic with a radar gun is beyond me. POLICE are needed to fight crime and keep order and peace. Not to hand out traffic tickets.
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Old Oct 5, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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I've never really understood how the **** can someone get killed by a "dangerous" driver on HIGHWAYS? Last time a study showed that it's not only drivers' fault that ppl get hit and killed but also stupid reckless pedestrians jaywalking. I seriously think those police need to find something better to do rather than starting to focus way too much on road safety. I don't think it's that serious to draw that much attention. If ur speeding 200km/h on highway... ok sure that ought to be punished, but the fck man the highway limit here is like 90km/h and that's not even 60mph.
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 03:52 AM
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Mindset said exactly what I've been saying for years. I talked to a FHP (florida highway patrol) person once and asked why they never give out warrings. He said that his 'job' was to give traffic tickets and respond to traffic crashes -thats it.

I guess serve and protect has become second to $$.

The seatbelt laws also make me very mad. I won't even get started.
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 04:34 AM
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"Allow flashing blue lights in combination with flashing red lights on police service vehicles. "

wtf...........
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 08:19 PM
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That's messed up. Doesn't such a law preclude your right to face your accuser in a court of your peers? I can see an immediate impounding of the vehicle but suspension of the license without a chance to fight the charge?!?!

I would imagine that someone WILL challenge this in court eventually and set a precedent. The apparent "right" of the police to take your vehicle and determine guilt aside from a judge (and jury, potentially) is a gross display of legislative power and absolute stupidity.
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 08:32 PM
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The new law allows police to issue an immediate seven-day driver's licence suspension and impound a vehicle for seven days for "driving stunts" such as travelling 50 kilometres or more over the posted speed limit.
If you're going 50kph (30+ mph) over the limit, you'd be in jail in the USA too.
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Old Oct 6, 2007 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,Oct 6 2007, 10:32 PM
If you're going 50kph (30+ mph) over the limit, you'd be in jail in the USA too.
Without any sort of appearance before a judge prior to the the issuing of punishment?
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