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Off-topic TalkWhere overpaid, underworked S2000 owners waste the worst part of their days before the drive home. This forum is for general chit chat and discussions not covered by the other off-topic forums.
Yes, I'm aware that fighter jets can pull many G's. We were just saying that can that jet run on a twisty road like an S? But either case, I was just having a few laughs because I know nothing of aircrafts. All I know is that Jesus makes airplanes fly.
It's amazing the things we still have going on right under the public's nose, yet they're still not aware of it. I worked on a program involving another 'modified' product back in early 2001. whenever the 'product' deployed, a fleet of 'xxxxxx' deployed with it. The funny thing is, I've seen 'xxxxxx' like this before, but never thought anything of them. The next time you see a 'xxxxx', you might wonder what is inside.**
the F-22 is a $$$, but it has it's reasons. Remember, true fighters are for air combat, attack aircraft are for ground attack. The F/A-22, like the F/A-18, is a multi-role fighter/attack aircraft. The brief increased radar signature while the weapons bay is open is far better than the continuous radar signature of our older aircraft. It can also protect and defend itself on the way to/from the target unlike the A-6 and A-10. The F-22 isn't in the desert yet because it's a far cry from being fully operational. Even if the plane was perfect, it still takes years to train the pilots and maintainers to handle the aircraft properly. It also takes years for the spares to be introduced into the supply network, and the vendors to build up their supplies. The F-22 will have its day, and should have reduced operating costs once fully implemented, if everything works as advertised.
Same thing with the C-130J. It.s been in production since the late 90's, yet is still not considered operational by the US Gov. (actually, the Marine Corps have just given theirs the thumbs up). there is so much red tape to cut through and when the FAA gets involved, it can slow things down even more. All in all, it can take 10 years from when a contract is awarded to when the aircraft actually becomes operational with a customer.
** Not intending to sound like a smart-ass, but I really can't fill in the blanks...
You guys should really read The Skunk Works by Ben Rich. That book has lots of fascinating stories about the design, production, and operation of the Blackbird. It also has stories about the F-117, X-15, U-2, etc. I've probably read it 4 or 5 times. In case my avatar isn't a clue, I'll say that the Blackbird has inspired me since I was a little kid. The looks, the speed, the technology...everything about it was (and is) amazing to me. Here's a few pics .
When I was in college I co-oped with Pratt & Whitney, the company that built the engines for the SR-71. It always tripped me out that I could look at design drawings of the JSF engine any time I wanted, but the Blackbird drawings were still classified! I would like to think that the real reason the plane was decommisioned was that there is something else out there flying around faster, higher, and cheaper than the SR-71. But to be honest, I just don't see it happening. The skin of the SR-71 was already made of titanium, and there aren't many materials around that can outperform that.
Oh, and for those who are curious, those photos were taken at the Air Force Armament Museum in Fort Walton Beach, FL.
Originally posted by C-Bass
the F-22 is a $$$, but it has it's reasons. Remember, true fighters are for air combat, attack aircraft are for ground attack. The F/A-22, like the F/A-18, is a multi-role fighter/attack aircraft. The brief increased radar signature while the weapons bay is open is far better than the continuous radar signature of our older aircraft. It can also protect and defend itself on the way to/from the target unlike the A-6 and A-10. The F-22 isn't in the desert yet because it's a far cry from being fully operational. Even if the plane was perfect, it still takes years to train the pilots and maintainers to handle the aircraft properly. It also takes years for the spares to be introduced into the supply network, and the vendors to build up their supplies. The F-22 will have its day, and should have reduced operating costs once fully implemented, if everything works as advertised.
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** Not intending to sound like a smart-ass, but I really can't fill in the blanks...
I think everyone understands that some things can't be said, and I also know that there are a few people here who will likely spot any BS instantly. Your assessment of the F-22 is spot-on. The F-15 was a remarkable platform. It's really huge for a fighter aircraft, but up through the D-model, it was probably (IMHO, without a doubt) the world's best air superiority fighter. The E-model, or "Strike Eagle" extended the role of the F-15 to include all weather ground attack capability. The F-15 uses "active stealth" (EW/ECM) just like the B-52, and terminal threats rarely turn out to be terminal.
Because the F-22 has similar capabilities (not yet fully implemented) and adds passive stealth, it will eventually show itself to be superior to the Strike Eagle in every way (except cost).
Not smarta$$. At one time I could not type certain sequences of letters in a row without marking the document with classification notices. Examples include things like "VGPO" and "RGPO." It may surprise some, but there was a time when typing either of those sequences of letters in a public post would have meant big trouble. We can only do it now because some things don't remain classified forever (while others do).
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RED MX5
At one time I could not type certain sequences of letters in a row without marking the document with classification notices.
Yes, I'm aware that fighter jets can pull many G's. We were just saying that can that jet run on a twisty road like an S? 
But either case, I was just having a few laughs because I know nothing of aircrafts. 
All I know is that Jesus makes airplanes fly. 
, but it has it's reasons. Remember, true fighters are for air combat, attack aircraft are for ground attack. The F/A-22, like the F/A-18, is a multi-role fighter/attack aircraft. The brief increased radar signature while the weapons bay is open is far better than the continuous radar signature of our older aircraft. It can also protect and defend itself on the way to/from the target unlike the A-6 and A-10. The F-22 isn't in the desert yet because it's a far cry from being fully operational. Even if the plane was perfect, it still takes years to train the pilots and maintainers to handle the aircraft properly. It also takes years for the spares to be introduced into the supply network, and the vendors to build up their supplies. The F-22 will have its day, and should have reduced operating costs once fully implemented, if everything works as advertised.
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