Who limited it to only THIS site? Is Greg not the "President" of an S2000 international club? Don't you think someone in that role would want to show he is a friend to the sponsors or potential sponsors?

You would have to be pretty naive to believe it plays no part in his posts.

As for you, you have about the same credibility as a writer for a magazine that derives a large chunk of ad revenue from the company whose product is being reviewed.

If you guys take the money or the free stuff you have to live with the fact that people are going to be very skeptical about your impartiality.

The fact remains that Sondra and Greg both tried to downplay the situation (to the benefit of the vendor) and some of us noticed it and commented on it.

 

I like fishing.

I'm not a liar. I only told what has happened to me. If you do not believe me, fine. I have no motivation to lie and I grow tired of having to defend myself.

It must be just another case of the hapless multimillion dollar corporation being picked on by the powerful individual. In my opinion my lights were ruined by this product or its installation. I cannot prove it. I don't have access to a lab to analyze my now ruined lenses.

If proof is required for any of you to believe in anything then lets close down all of the churches, temples and synagogues until someone proves there is a god. It's all speculation isn't it? I was relaying to all of you my experiences, yet some of you felt the need to question my motives.

I am an honest, hard-working individual who bought this product in good faith and as a result my lights are irrepairably damaged. The maker of the product refuses to make it right without proof it was at fault. In how many warranty situations could any of you PROVE the product in question is at fault? I would say few if any.

This particular company has made it clear that it has no intention of making this right. Take from that what you will. They either believe extremely strongly in the quality of their product or care very little about their customers or both. You decide but please don't question my integrity or my motives.

 

Doc, I never questioned your motives or ethics. I only wanted to get at the cause of the problem. It seemed to me that there is/was a circumstantial aspect to this whole incident. I never impugned your integrity as an honest and straightforward guy. All, and I'll say it again, I was looking for was some kind of proof.

A sad and unfortunate incident, to be sure. All I was hoping for was something more than circumstantial proof of their being liable.

Nothing more, nothing less...

 

Greg, how many sides of your mouth can you talk out of at the same time? You really have no shame, but then you are a self admitted shill.

Circumstantial evidence is given the same effect in a court as direct evidence. Doc purchased the product, applied it to both headlights, and both cracked, after the product was applied.

That's strong evidence. Your problem is that you want to keep your sponsor, StonGard, happy, and therefore decided to side with him. Question Doc's integrity, question the strength of the evidence against StonGard, but never question StonGard. At the same time, try to appear reasonable objective, and even-handed. What a tight rope walk! Clearly, you have lightened yourself by dumping substantial moral ballast to accomplish this feat.

Now, Doc says he is an honest and hard working guy with no axe to grind but a fellow who has a problem with a sponsor of your event. You reply that you're not saying he's a liar, you even deny you are standing up for StonGard. You're just waiting for stronger evidence, you tell us. What a crock, Greg. You really are pathetically transparent.

Believe it or not, I was rooting for you to come out of this one with some class, and show that you were more than a shallow twit. I am disappointed.

2x6spds

 

I guess it's pretty circumstantial that the 2nd gear grind is a problem with the tranny since not everyone has it. It's also pretty circumstantial that the boot causes problems with the seatbelts since not everyone has it. I'm just glad Honda stands behind their product even when they can find a scapegoat or when they can blame a problem on an aftermarket product.

 

god i love this place......

 

Ouch, my stomach is aching from the laughter....thanks, I needed the workout.

Seriously, it's a car club. You can join, you can not join, you can do whatever you like...it's ENTIRELY up to you to do so or not do so. The fact is that you are in control of your actions (I think). I, quite honestly, don't care if anyone joins, doesn't join, becomes a Tibetan Monk or a Tahitian Flower Girl. It's your life and you are in charge. Live it and love it...

BTW, 2X6, your "rooting" for me was transparent. You want me to be discredited because you just don't like me, my posts, my position, my personailty...in fact, there is nothing that you like about me and that is fine, but be honest. I understand biases. You should be more willing to admit that you have them to the same degree that you claim I have mine. Sounds like a double standard, but what do I know...? I'm just a shill and a hack and a lap dog. What could I possibly know about human relations....?!

I will close this by asking why there is all this animosity. Sure, I have not been innocent in defending myself from all of this silliness, but why the persecution? What did I do to offend you so deeply?

Strike, 2X6Spds and Bieg seem to have some kind of vendetta for me. I'm wondering why that is. It baffles me and makes me wonder what is wrong with people...I hope the people in my life don't have the qualities that make up your antipathy for me. It's both sad and weird, at the same time....

 

nothing on tv but infomercials.

 

Greg,

I'm disappointed that you chose to mention me by name as someone who may have a "vendetta" against you. Below is your E-mail to me and my response to you in case anyone is interested and to make sure the record is straight regarding my point of view:

Greg,

I resent your implications. You do that a lot. Here is a quote from one of your posts:

".I am very proud of Honda stepping up to the plate to fix your lights. It also says that by doing so that they have some kind of known problem with this happening or else they wouldn't have done so easily... "

If you don't implicitly say that Honda is "the bad guy" you certainly imply it. I won't argue with you over this. If you don't agree with me then we'll have to agree to disagree but IMHO if you say that "by doing so that they have some kind of known problem with this happening or else they wouldn't have done so easily.." you are implying that Honda chose to fix the problem because they knew there was a problem and they wanted to squech the publicity.
Also, I never said you bilked people on the shirts. I take offense to that. I specifically sent you a PM on that one and asked you what the deal was, expressing my opinions as to what I thought typical costs were. I remember specifically mentioning BEFORE anything else that I MAY be off base. I consider that fact that I qualified my questions with that statement to mean that "hey maybe I'm ****ed up. I'd like to know the reality here". I also remember sending you a follow up message apologizing if I sounded like I was implying anything such as you are suggesting NOW. You never responded indicating whether you were offended or not.
I'm gonna get a little more general now. I take offense to you suggesting that some of us aren't applying the same levels of critical thinking that you do to some of these threads. You might want to consider that fact that some of us are as intelligent, and maybe even more so, than you. Maybe in some cases you are actually WRONG. And maybe you should just shut up when threads don't interest you. You and Sondra love to tell others to do that.
You choose to ignore facts. Case in point - the Ston Gard issue. You keep saying there is no evidence that Ston Gard caused the problem. I've stated, and others have as well, that there is. You're intelligent so I'm going to assume that you can review the thread and find the actual evidence. If you can't send me a PM and I'll tell you what it is. I don't feel like repeating myself and others here. You've simply chosen to ignore the evidence. I've never seen you respond to the actual posts with evidence in them.
In closing, I'm going to ask that you not use my personal E-mail address again until you can learn to treat me with some level of respect. I've tried to treat you that way. You can PM me if you need to discuss things with me privately. I include my personal E-mail address in my profile because I don't believe in hiding and because some people actually send me worthwhile E-mails. It is not there for you to rag on me as you've been doing on S2K Online.

Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Stevens [mailto:gregstevens@ameritech.net]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:54 PM
To: Aaron@socallounge.com
Subject: Uhhh....


Yes, I'm complaining about anyone who lacks enough intelligence to get all the facts before making a judgment. Then hanging a company for something they may or may not be responsible for. That, my friend, is shameful...

Moreover, please indicate where I posted that Honda was the "bad guy" I re-read my post and only found praise for Honda stepping up. People like you sit behind your monitor and throw stones and criticize all day long and quite frankly, it's humorous. But where's the positive? Do you ever have anything good to say?

This is at least twice (in recent memory) that you jumped to conclusions with me. The most recent other incident was when you accused me of bilking people with a 20 dollar shirt from S2KDays. You continue to make my case that people don't have the facts before making a judgment. You are lock step in-line with them, my man. How does it feel not to be able to think for yourself?


Greg

 

As deeply amused by this thread as I am, it's going nowhere but down. Clearly everything that needs to be said on this issue has been said or we would not be here now.