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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 03:49 AM
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After reading this thread, i've come to the conclusion that people have no inkling of a clue why most people own or want to own a gun and/or carry it on their person. They seem to think you're safer without it.

bad guy = has gun
you = not has gun
= you at disadvantage

Why should YOU have the disadvantage? Equal it out. And for the record Quick2k, there are a myriad of facts on concealed carry states having less violent crimes and home robberies. Because if you're going to rob someone, you want an advantage.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HowardZinn,Mar 10 2009, 08:54 PM
This kind of stuff isn't helping your cause: 10 shot dead in Alabama
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/10/At_...35321236733463/

Murder rates in the US are higher than most other developed country, like the UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy, France, New Zealand etc. But a lot of Americans LOVE their guns.

Personally I'd feel safer if I had less gun owners surrounding me. Carry concealed weapons and who can snap at any time, get into an argument with their spouse at the cinema and pull their gun, or have road rage and pull their gun, or a parking dispute and pull their gun, or get fired and in a moment of rage pull their gun at work.

It might make you 'feel' like a big man, carrying that concealed weapon, but it doesn't make the society any safer, increasing gun density in the urban areas does not decrease gun violence, that's a lie of the NRA.

Edit: and don't pull out stats which indicate that the US has higher gun ownership than somalia/uzbekistan/Iraq/pakistan and is safer. Compare murder rates with other first world civilised democracies and the difference is obvious.
You crack me up my friend. You'd feel safer with less gun owners around you? They have a legal permit to carry the weapon, you cannot get this if you aren't law abiding. Now i'm sorry but if you think just because someone has a gun on them, they're going to shoot someone, or something, I can't help you. Sounds like a problem with how your mind processes information.

Fact: gun owners are VERY law abiding.
Your brain: i'm scared
others: ???
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HowardZinn,Mar 10 2009, 11:54 PM
This kind of stuff isn't helping your cause: 10 shot dead in Alabama
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/10/At_...35321236733463/

Murder rates in the US are higher than most other developed country, like the UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy, France, New Zealand etc. But a lot of Americans LOVE their guns.

Personally I'd feel safer if I had less gun owners surrounding me. Carry concealed weapons and who can snap at any time, get into an argument with their spouse at the cinema and pull their gun, or have road rage and pull their gun, or a parking dispute and pull their gun, or get fired and in a moment of rage pull their gun at work.

It might make you 'feel' like a big man, carrying that concealed weapon, but it doesn't make the society any safer, increasing gun density in the urban areas does not decrease gun violence, that's a lie of the NRA.

Edit: and don't pull out stats which indicate that the US has higher gun ownership than somalia/uzbekistan/Iraq/pakistan and is safer. Compare murder rates with other first world civilised democracies and the difference is obvious.
if you actually bother to look at some statistics, you'll find that all the things you're paranoid about don't happen anywhere near as often as you seem to think... and when they do happen, the crimes are usually perpetrated by people who don't have licenses for their firearms... or even more likely don't have concealed carry licenses. i posted some of the stats on crimes committed by concealed carry licensees earlier in the thread, not that you probably bothered reading them.

you think the kind of person who has rage issues and will just up and kill someone when they get mad is going to NOT do that because.. there isn't a gun handy? you think a knife won't work just as well? i'm sorry, the kind of nuts who go psycho at the slightest provocation are A: not a huge % of the human population and B: just as likely to kill with a knife or a baseball bat as a gun.

anyway this is probably about time
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 06:12 AM
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Do you people who own and carry guns really feel that threatened on a daily basis?

Unfortunately, "law aviding" doesn't really seem to mean that much nowadays. You are "law aviding" until you get cought, right?
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 07:02 AM
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^ I'll go out on a limb here and guess that you're single with no children, and the closest thing to violence that you've ever seen was on a television.

I'll answer your first question: I carry a pistol daily. I have a wife and three children that I'm responsible for protecting 24 hours a day, seven days a week. No one else is going to do it for me - not the police, not the courts, and not some talking head on CNN who apparently watched too much Star Trek as a kid.

Do I expect that a tragic situation such as the one that happened in Alabama to happen every morning? Of course not. Am I as prepared as possible if something like that happens and it jeopardizes my family's well-being? Yes.

If a law was passed tomorrow that directed everyone in the world to turn in every single firearm (regardless of type), do you really think that criminals would turn theirs in? Do you think that once all firearms are gone, that everyone would live peacefully? Take a close look on what's happening in countries like Britain and Australia since they've passed large-scale bans. Do you think the large increases in home invasions they're experiencing would have happened if the average citizen had a right to defend himself?

Firearms are the great equalizer...a somewhat frail woman in her 70's can defend herself against an oversized thug who's trying to do her harm. Possession of a firearm (or better stated, adequate defense of one's self and family) is a God-given right that's reinforced in this country by the Constitution.

In other words, follow your own advice as referenced in your sig line...as it stands now, your post and sig line oppose one another...

Your second question is ridiculous.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Gymkata,Mar 11 2009, 09:12 AM
Unfortunately, "law aviding" doesn't really seem to mean that much nowadays. You are "law aviding" until you get cought, right?
-"law aviding" doesn't really seem to mean that much because aviding isn't a word.
-cought isn't either

this message brought to you by you friendly neighborhood grammar and spelling police

for the rest, see Dunk'sDad's post above.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 07:27 AM
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Donno. I never felt like I HAD to have a gun in all the place I lived. I guess, everyone's perception of safety is different.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gymkata,Mar 11 2009, 07:27 AM
Donno. I never felt like I HAD to have a gun in all the place I lived. I guess, everyone's perception of safety is different.
Most people who have fallen victim to horrific crimes felt the same way until it happened to them. As human beings, we all feel that these terrible crimes happen to other people and not ourselves. This is even true on a collective scale as was clearly demonstrated by the events of 9/11. Everyone was caught off guard and very few ever thought it was remotely possible that an event this horrible and evil could possibly happen to us Americans on our own soil. After that day, collectively, we woke up as a nation and realized the terrible reality that is international terrorism.

Funny, even after seeing such a horrible reality such as 9/11, so many people still think that crimes such as school shootings, random nuts going on killing rampages, or just a common muggings could not possibly happen to them. Apparently, those things happen to other people. I wonder how many people in this country have paid for that exact kind of thinking with their blood and their lives? In life, we don't have the luxury of making all the mistakes out there for ourselves. The wise will know to learn from the mistakes of others.

As I have stated on my previous posts, the cops usually show up to situations like Alabama just in time to roll out the body bags. If something like Alabama were to happen to you, I guarantee you'd feel a lot better with something to shoot back with and the training to back it up. Even if you aren't comfortable with that responsibility, don't get in the way of someone who is. By saving themsevles while standing next to you, they might just as well have saved you from being the next victim.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 12:46 PM
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[QUOTE=HowardZinn,Mar 10 2009, 08:54 PM] This kind of stuff isn't helping your cause: 10 shot dead in Alabama
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/10/At_...35321236733463/

Murder rates in the US are higher than most other developed country, like the UK, Ireland, Australia, Italy, France, New Zealand etc.
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blackdragon,Mar 11 2009, 01:46 PM
Actually, its stuff like this that EXACTLY helps my cause.
lol

I read howards post and was thinking is this sarcasm?


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