Support for CA Bill AB357
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Originally Posted by Dunk'sDad,Mar 2 2009, 01:32 PM
BD, good luck getting this well-needed legislation passed.
VA Tech...
Campus Security (you know, the "sworn to protect and defend" guys) for VA Tech's gun-free zone took up a defensive posture outside a classroom building where an armed lunatic killed at leisure. Only when the shooting stopped did those guys bother themselves to go in the building and "investigate." If I was a Hokie parent, I'd be plenty pissed off.
Would one man or woman carrying a concealed weapon in that building saved the day? Who knows? Maybe, or maybe not. Doesn't really matter now, as those poor people never got the chance.
Bottom line is this - no matter who you are or where you are, the only person capable of protecting YOU is YOU.
Don't believe me? Ask a cop how often he patrols your street, or what his response time is when something awful happens. Also, ask him if he's supposed to protect anyone or just enforce the laws...the answers may surprise you.
You have a choice. Learn how to defend yourself, or don't. Depend on yourself, or rely on the "goodness" of humanity to carry you through life.
VA Tech...
Campus Security (you know, the "sworn to protect and defend" guys) for VA Tech's gun-free zone took up a defensive posture outside a classroom building where an armed lunatic killed at leisure. Only when the shooting stopped did those guys bother themselves to go in the building and "investigate." If I was a Hokie parent, I'd be plenty pissed off.
Would one man or woman carrying a concealed weapon in that building saved the day? Who knows? Maybe, or maybe not. Doesn't really matter now, as those poor people never got the chance.
Bottom line is this - no matter who you are or where you are, the only person capable of protecting YOU is YOU.
Don't believe me? Ask a cop how often he patrols your street, or what his response time is when something awful happens. Also, ask him if he's supposed to protect anyone or just enforce the laws...the answers may surprise you.
You have a choice. Learn how to defend yourself, or don't. Depend on yourself, or rely on the "goodness" of humanity to carry you through life.
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My 8 year old had opening day of Little League this past Saturday. We sat thru a ton of geezer baseball players boring us with stories of their playing days. Then Sheriff Sandra Hutchins of OC started babbling. She finished and walked among the crowd, this being south OC the butt kissers smiled and shook her hand. She walked by me and I turned my back on her (I was wearing a H&K t-shirt with the phrase on the back that said "When Negotiations Fail" with a picture of a MP5 in full burst. My wife told me I was being rude, I told her that "this woman was taking away my 2nd Amendment Rights and pulling CCW's so she and I had nothing to say to each other. You could have heard a pin drop after I spoke. Hutchins muttered something like sorry you feel that way. I lost it, I told her she was not sorry that she was trying to impose LA style laws in our county and that whoever ran against her I would support just to send her back to LA. One of her peons gave me a mad dog and I told him he was pretty brave hiding behind a badge and gun (he looked like a overweight security guard).
Screw her , she needs to go back to the kitchen.
Screw her , she needs to go back to the kitchen.
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Originally Posted by WFO Racer,Mar 2 2009, 10:45 PM
My 8 year old had opening day of Little League this past Saturday. We sat thru a ton of geezer baseball players boring us with stories of their playing days. Then Sheriff Sandra Hutchins of OC started babbling. She finished and walked among the crowd, this being south OC the butt kissers smiled and shook her hand. She walked by me and I turned my back on her (I was wearing a H&K t-shirt with the phrase on the back that said "When Negotiations Fail" with a picture of a MP5 in full burst. My wife told me I was being rude, I told her that "this woman was taking away my 2nd Amendment Rights and pulling CCW's so she and I had nothing to say to each other. You could have heard a pin drop after I spoke. Hutchins muttered something like sorry you feel that way. I lost it, I told her she was not sorry that she was trying to impose LA style laws in our county and that whoever ran against her I would support just to send her back to LA. One of her peons gave me a mad dog and I told him he was pretty brave hiding behind a badge and gun (he looked like a overweight security guard).
Screw her , she needs to go back to the kitchen.
Screw her , she needs to go back to the kitchen.
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Originally Posted by Quick2K,Mar 2 2009, 12:07 AM
If someone's going to shoot you, they're going to shoot you and I doubt that in most situations you would have to time to reach for a weapon, load it, turn off the safety, aim and fire before you were shot yourself.
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The ones who who don't want to defend themselves don't deserve to be defended.
The ones that think it will never happen to them. It will happen to them.
If one day when SHTF, all the ones without guns that opposed guns will want the help from people with guns. That day I turn my back.
+1 CCW all the way.
The ones that think it will never happen to them. It will happen to them.
If one day when SHTF, all the ones without guns that opposed guns will want the help from people with guns. That day I turn my back.
+1 CCW all the way.
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i unfortunately didn't keep the paper i wrote on CC laws back in high school, but only one notable study had been done on the net effect on criminal activity. it was isolated to florida IIRC.
it found that property crimes and thefts went up (Very slightly) after the CC law went in place, and violent crimes (rape, murder, muggings) went down (again very slightly).
logic: criminals do things where they aren't face to face with someone, cause they never knows if that person might shoot them. criminals instead take to robbing houses when none one is home, jacking s2000 seats, etc. less chance of getting shot.
makes sense right? criminals are lazy and above all want to protect their own asses. if they can make a buck off a car stereo or make a buck mugging someone, they'd rather the stereo if there's a good chance the dude they mug will shoot them (or a passerby will).
i dunno you can ignore my post since i don't even have the evidence to support it, but all the naysayers of CC laws ranted and raved about vigilante justice and gunfights in the street and none of that crap has happened. bottom line the people who bother with the expense and the time to get a license to carry are predominantly law-abiding and mentally stable, as well as trained in the use of their guns. i'm ok with that.
it found that property crimes and thefts went up (Very slightly) after the CC law went in place, and violent crimes (rape, murder, muggings) went down (again very slightly).
logic: criminals do things where they aren't face to face with someone, cause they never knows if that person might shoot them. criminals instead take to robbing houses when none one is home, jacking s2000 seats, etc. less chance of getting shot.
makes sense right? criminals are lazy and above all want to protect their own asses. if they can make a buck off a car stereo or make a buck mugging someone, they'd rather the stereo if there's a good chance the dude they mug will shoot them (or a passerby will).
i dunno you can ignore my post since i don't even have the evidence to support it, but all the naysayers of CC laws ranted and raved about vigilante justice and gunfights in the street and none of that crap has happened. bottom line the people who bother with the expense and the time to get a license to carry are predominantly law-abiding and mentally stable, as well as trained in the use of their guns. i'm ok with that.
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why can't you have a concealed carry permit in cali, they need tax money like every other state
i have a concealed carry permit that i have to pay taxes on it, why? to keep illegal guns in the hands of the criminals which pissed me the f**koff
why else would you need a gun?????
the government never made sense to me, i guess it never will
i have a concealed carry permit that i have to pay taxes on it, why? to keep illegal guns in the hands of the criminals which pissed me the f**koff
why else would you need a gun?????
the government never made sense to me, i guess it never will
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Originally Posted by thebig33tuna,Mar 3 2009, 01:54 PM
i unfortunately didn't keep the paper i wrote on CC laws back in high school, but only one notable study had been done on the net effect on criminal activity. it was isolated to florida IIRC.
it found that property crimes and thefts went up (Very slightly) after the CC law went in place, and violent crimes (rape, murder, muggings) went down (again very slightly).
logic: criminals do things where they aren't face to face with someone, cause they never knows if that person might shoot them. criminals instead take to robbing houses when none one is home, jacking s2000 seats, etc. less chance of getting shot.
makes sense right? criminals are lazy and above all want to protect their own asses. if they can make a buck off a car stereo or make a buck mugging someone, they'd rather the stereo if there's a good chance the dude they mug will shoot them (or a passerby will).
i dunno you can ignore my post since i don't even have the evidence to support it, but all the naysayers of CC laws ranted and raved about vigilante justice and gunfights in the street and none of that crap has happened. bottom line the people who bother with the expense and the time to get a license to carry are predominantly law-abiding and mentally stable, as well as trained in the use of their guns. i'm ok with that.
it found that property crimes and thefts went up (Very slightly) after the CC law went in place, and violent crimes (rape, murder, muggings) went down (again very slightly).
logic: criminals do things where they aren't face to face with someone, cause they never knows if that person might shoot them. criminals instead take to robbing houses when none one is home, jacking s2000 seats, etc. less chance of getting shot.
makes sense right? criminals are lazy and above all want to protect their own asses. if they can make a buck off a car stereo or make a buck mugging someone, they'd rather the stereo if there's a good chance the dude they mug will shoot them (or a passerby will).
i dunno you can ignore my post since i don't even have the evidence to support it, but all the naysayers of CC laws ranted and raved about vigilante justice and gunfights in the street and none of that crap has happened. bottom line the people who bother with the expense and the time to get a license to carry are predominantly law-abiding and mentally stable, as well as trained in the use of their guns. i'm ok with that.
If florida also adopted laws similar to texas for protection of personal property, i am sure the crime rates relating to theft would go down too.
a criminal would think twice about approaching your property/car knowing the law favors the owner of the property when it comes to a justified use of firearms.